Prams on buses

KxMx

Amanita wrote: »

No - obviously just elderly ladies with mobility issues.

All I can say is that I hope one day that mother in the OPs original post is treated as badly in her old age by someone in her grandaughter's generation.

IMO the pram had priority over a non-wheelchair using disabled person. It was the other passengers who did not move to give the elderly lady a seat that were at fault. The elderly lady could be accomodated elsewhere, not so the pram.

I have health problems too (they are not restricted to the elderly, most pensioners have more energy than I do these days!), but if I am sat in a buggy space and a buggy wants to get on I always move, it's a struggle for me too, and no-one to look at me sees my problems like they do on an elderly person, so no one would move for me, and I may have to stand (which is almost impossible for me), but I would do it since the buggy user is entitled to the space over me, just like a wheelchair user has entitlement over a buggy.

Irn-Bru-Kid

PoorCharleyBear wrote: »

I think all mothers and children should be forbidden to leave the house until they are contributing members of society and will not annoy other people in any shape or form.
Oh and when they are allowed out- make sure they are properly socialised too, even though they will never have had a chance to interact with other people.


I truly believe people in Uk seem to loathe children. I moved here last year and have had unbelievable rudeness because I am the mother of a small child.
I have been refused access onto buses because the driver thought the bus was too full (ie most seats taken)- tube is almost impossible to use with minimal lifts, ditto the trains. And heaven forbid you might need to eat out (as we were in hotel accom initially)...how dare we consider eating food when we have a child in tow. We have had rude people shout at us for taking a child to eat in a restaurant at 6pm.

And by the way my 4 year old still uses a stroller as she needs a daily sleep- I am not prepared to carry a sleeping child just because some crotchety people think that children should be locked away. How the UK population grows with attitudes like this I don't know.

Forgive me, but I think you are being overly dramatic. To say that you believe that we in Britain loath children is a bit much to say the least.

This discussion is not about children. We are discussing a (very) few inconsiderate mothers who genuinely believe that they have the right to inconvenience other people purely because they have a child.

The irony of your situation is that you were probably denied access to the bus because it was full with overloaded prams, covered in shopping and the kids who should have been in the prams taking up seats.

Think about it...

biscit

PoorCharleyBear wrote: »

I think all mothers and children should be forbidden to leave the house until they are contributing members of society and will not annoy other people in any shape or form.
Oh and when they are allowed out- make sure they are properly socialised too, even though they will never have had a chance to interact with other people.


I truly believe people in Uk seem to loathe children. I moved here last year and have had unbelievable rudeness because I am the mother of a small child.
I have been refused access onto buses because the driver thought the bus was too full (ie most seats taken)- tube is almost impossible to use with minimal lifts, ditto the trains. And heaven forbid you might need to eat out (as we were in hotel accom initially)...how dare we consider eating food when we have a child in tow. We have had rude people shout at us for taking a child to eat in a restaurant at 6pm.

And by the way my 4 year old still uses a stroller as she needs a daily sleep- I am not prepared to carry a sleeping child just because some crotchety people think that children should be locked away. How the UK population grows with attitudes like this I don't know.

It's a minority view, but yes, the sort of obnoxious low-lives who act like this are very visible and it does get you down. Especially the sort who justify their obnoixious nature by trying to make out it's the poor parent that's being rude or selfish.

biscit

KxMx wrote: »

I have health problems too (they are not restricted to the elderly, most pensioners have more energy than I do these days!), but if I am sat in a buggy space and a buggy wants to get on I always move, it's a struggle for me too, and no-one to look at me sees my problems like they do on an elderly person, so no one would move for me, and I may have to stand (which is almost impossible for me), but I would do it since the buggy user is entitled to the space over me, just like a wheelchair user has entitlement over a buggy.

Thank you for being so nice.

biscit

katerinasol wrote: »

Depends what far is, I used to walk 45 minutes to work and quite often do this now when I go round a friend's house. Oh no wait, is that this 'effort' thing that people speak of? :eek:

Anyway, there's always driving

Good for you, the fact you are willing to walk so far does you credit. I do similar. Criticising others for not walking so far does detract from your positive character though.

Nicki

biscit wrote: »

Good for you, the fact you are willing to walk so far does you credit. I do similar. Criticising others for not walking so far does detract from your positive character though.

And assuming that everyone lives within a 45 minute walk of everywhere they need to get to is naive. Personally I live a 50 minute bus journey away from the hospital, which I often have to attend on my own behalf or with one of my children. There is no parking nearby and my youngest is too old for a portable stage 1 carseat and too young for a portable booster seat so taking the bus is by far the easiest way to get there. I guess I COULD walk for 3 hours or so there and back with my toddler in his pushchair and my disabled 10 year old if the appointment is for her. Forgive me though for being lazy, as I do take the bus and I do use the buggy space on that bus which has been set aside for mums like me.

mumps

Nicki wrote: »

And assuming that everyone lives within a 45 minute walk of everywhere they need to get to is naive. Personally I live a 50 minute bus journey away from the hospital, which I often have to attend on my own behalf or with one of my children. There is no parking nearby and my youngest is too old for a portable stage 1 carseat and too young for a portable booster seat so taking the bus is by far the easiest way to get there. I guess I COULD walk for 3 hours or so there and back with my toddler in his pushchair and my disabled 10 year old if the appointment is for her. Forgive me though for being lazy, as I do take the bus and I do use the buggy space on that bus which has been set aside for mums like me.

Yes it is there for mums like you, wheelchair users and the disabled.

KxMx

mumps wrote: »

Yes it is there for mums like you, wheelchair users and the disabled.

Disabled (walking) can be accomodated elsewhere on the bus, unlike wheelchairs and prams, which is why spaces are provided!

charlie-chan

I was on the bus today and it was such a kerfuffle.

When I first got on, I had to sit at the front as I couldn't get my shopping past the two prams in the buggy area because one was unnecessarily wide and it was blocking the aisleway. After that mum + pram got off a few stops later, a wheelchair user wanted to get on. I could hear the carers say that they couldn't get on as a pram was in the pram area. The other mum had put her pram sideways therefore taking up the entire pram bay and the bus driver said to the carers and friend that there was room for them. They got on the bus etc but the wheelchair user had to face outwards instead of resting against the wheelchair rest because of no room for the pram to stand. The pram did contain a young baby but the mum was really reasonable etc with it and she made sure the carers etc got a seat with her.

When the bus reached the final destination, the carers couldn't get their friend off as the ramp wasn't down. I went and pulled the ramp down whilst the bus driver stayed in his seat because that's the kind of person I am. The bus driver did thank me though. I always like to help others and one day, I would hope to get help if I ended up in a wheelchair for a reason or another. That was a positive experience for a wheelchair user but it is very rare.

I find that, on my bus journeys, the pram bays are always full with either prams or young adults.

biscit

Nicki wrote: »

And assuming that everyone lives within a 45 minute walk of everywhere they need to get to is naive. Personally I live a 50 minute bus journey away from the hospital, which I often have to attend on my own behalf or with one of my children. There is no parking nearby and my youngest is too old for a portable stage 1 carseat and too young for a portable booster seat so taking the bus is by far the easiest way to get there. I guess I COULD walk for 3 hours or so there and back with my toddler in his pushchair and my disabled 10 year old if the appointment is for her. Forgive me though for being lazy, as I do take the bus and I do use the buggy space on that bus which has been set aside for mums like me.

We were lucky that when my son was born the nearest hospital was in what would have been the gap between our village and the next one down the valley, so we could walk.

I'm, quite frankly, embarrassed to read the stories of what women recovering from C-sections can and can't do, and being unaware of this. Especially since my wife had to have one.

I think some people have a limited amount of empathy and resent that these days we're more civilised than in the past and to have a general background level of niceness you need to give greater consideration to all sorts of things thank you used to. So they tend to try and turn things on their heads- nice people who recycle, have no problem with P&C spaces, etc, aren't nice, they're arrogant and "holier than thou". The people for whom companies and society show more consideration aren't being shown consideration, they've a "sense of entitlement."