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ESA form send to ATOS and decision maker?

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  • Garry_Anderson
    Garry_Anderson Posts: 11,896 Forumite
    So did I. I suppose I expected the usual suspects to at least be pleased that the ATOS rep was here.

    I would not bother again if I was the ATOS rep. They give their free time up and it is still not appreciated.
    Personally I was pleased.

    However, they do not want to answer questions that they find embarressing about ATOS policy or wrong-doing - so a bit pointless for most i.e. it is just propaganda for the niave really.

    BTW: It is not "free time" - they are here in official capacity - but wouldn't be surprised if ATOS didn't pay staff for representing them.
  • Fridge3
    Fridge3 Posts: 9,246 Forumite
    cit_k wrote: »
    Why would that be? Are you perhaps implying that ATOS would refuse to help someone simply because they reported a breach of rules? That I wold be wasting my time asking them any further questions?

    Would that not mean a company acting in a childish and vindictive manner, and would then mean people could assume they would act in such a manner if a claimaint reported a breach of protocol to ATOS themselves or the DWP regarding their assessment procedure or report surely?
    The post offered help to another poster. If indeed the MSE team feel the rep has broken rules by posting a helpful email address in the body of the post; in the context of the post it's inconceivable to perceive that as touting for business. Regardless, that's for the MSE team to address.



    On the contrary, it's not that much of a stretch to conceive the reporting of such a post as childish and vindtictive. Especially when posting on reported posts in the thread is a breach of the rules.
    No doubt you'll have good reason why the forum rules don't apply to you?
  • Fridge3
    Fridge3 Posts: 9,246 Forumite
    Personally I was pleased.

    However, they do not want to answer questions that you perceive they find embarressing about ATOS policy or perceived wrong-doing - so a bit pointless for most i.e. it is just propaganda for the niave really.

    BTW: It is not "free time" - they are here in official capacity - but wouldn't be surprised if ATOS didn't pay staff for representing them.
    Corrected.

    BTW, do you have any evidence that atos pay staff for representing them or is your perception just more evidence that the corrections above are valid and that in fact the propaganda originates elsewhere.
  • lemontart
    lemontart Posts: 6,037 Forumite
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    robus wrote: »
    Thanks for coming on and explaining that. But you have to be honest it sounds very much like a pamphlet handed out by ATOS!
    Yes I agree that is how you would like it to work, but believe me, and I can only tell of my personal experience, it does not work that way in reality.

    For a start, up to early this year, ATOS made a point in sending out a letter which enclosed the ESA50 stating that NOTHING apart from the ESA50 should be returned to ATOS. Why the sudden change?

    Even now, the assessor does not even look at the evidence handed to him when carrying out the assessment.

    In my case I took the view that I would receive a clear 0 points no matter what I did.
    So I refused to fill the ESA50 out and returned it only bearing my signature. I refused to send anything that would give the assessor any indication of what my conditions were and how they affected me. The only information the assessor had was a copy of my sicknote which described only one of many conditions I have.

    I answered, as I was told to do by the assessor, in the positive and negative only, saying Yes/No to all questions, never elaborating on anything.

    True to form, and despite the assessor at a later date swearing blind that he asked a whole range of questions, I received 0 points.

    So when I was then able to submit evidence to the Decision Maker, for example that I had a mental illness that had been in existence for 15 years, it totally contradicted every statement I was alledged to have made saying that I had never had and currently do not have a mental illness.
    This went on throughout the report, with me providing evidence in support of all my conditions and how they affected my working ability, until, it was decided that the ATOS report was not 'worth the paper it was printed on (as stated by a review doctor from ATOS to the DWP following a complaint from me).

    Did the assessor do his job properly? Did he do enough to uncover what my problems were? Was he satisfied that the report was a true picture of my health? Obviously not.

    Within weeks of being told I had 0 points, I was placed in the support group for many years before being reassessed.

    Why does ATOS allow this to happen? Why all of a sudden that from 2008 until March 2011, they refused to entertain any additional evidence being sent in has it been changed?

    Sounds like the experience we had except that dispite answering quesiton's the zero award and reasons given do not appear the have based on the same interview at all read like someone else completely had attended . 12 months later decision reversed at tribunal. Nightmare of a year.

    Are we permitted to bring a dicta phone with us for future evidence of what was actually said as opposed to the many reports of someone different reports been submitted by atos after the interview,
    I am responsible me, myself and I alone I am not the keeper others thoughts and words.
  • Garry_Anderson
    Garry_Anderson Posts: 11,896 Forumite
    Originally Posted by Garry_Anderson viewpost.gif
    Personally I was pleased.

    However, they do not want to answer questions that you perceive they find embarressing about ATOS policy or perceived wrong-doing - so a bit pointless for most i.e. it is just propaganda for the niave really.

    BTW: It is not "free time" - they are here in official capacity - but wouldn't be surprised if ATOS didn't pay staff for representing them.
    Fridge3 wrote: »
    Corrected.

    BTW, do you have any evidence that atos pay staff for representing them or is your perception just more evidence that the corrections above are valid and that in fact the propaganda originates elsewhere.
    Corrected only in tiny minds ;)

    If it was not embarressing then they would have no trouble answering.

    Like you could represent your firm without their permission - ATOS/DWP would want any representation to be official - not by some twerp who thinks themself important enough to do so.

    BTW: already stated I "wouldn't be surprised if ATOS didn't pay staff for representing them".
  • Fridge3
    Fridge3 Posts: 9,246 Forumite
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    Corrected only in tiny minds ;)

    If it was not embarressing then they would have no trouble answering.

    Like you could represent your firm without their permission - ATOS/DWP would want any representation to be official - not by some twerp who thinks themself important enough to do so.

    BTW: already stated I "wouldn't be surprised if ATOS didn't pay staff for representing them".
    Corrected because they are the facts.

    BTW, I'm a little disappointed someone who claims to be so skilful isn't embarrassed (2 a's, no e's) at his own poor efforts. And in making such a poor effort resorts to abuse.
  • Garry_Anderson
    Garry_Anderson Posts: 11,896 Forumite
    Fridge3 wrote: »
    Corrected because they are the facts.

    BTW, I'm a little disappointed someone who claims to be so skilful isn't embarrassed (2 a's, no e's) at his own poor efforts. And in making such a poor effort resorts to abuse.
    They are merely your opinion - I'm disappointed that you don't know the difference - though not surprised with you ;)

    BTW: this is a forum - nearly all here make spelling mistakes in haste - even the skilful and skilled :)
  • Fridge3
    Fridge3 Posts: 9,246 Forumite
    They are merely your opinion - I'm disappointed that you don't know the difference - though not surprised with you ;)
    It's a fact these are your opinions and perceptions. I'm disappointed you think your opinions are fact.

    BTW: this is a forum - nearly all here make spelling mistakes in haste - even the skilful and skilled :)
    Once maybe, but seven times with the same word?;)


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  • Fridge3 wrote: »
    It's a fact these are your opinions and perceptions. I'm disappointed you think your opinions are fact.


    Once maybe, but seven times with the same word?;)
    Nope - you're the one saying your opinion is fact.

    Like many people I mispell many words the same way when writing in haste e.g. your - you're.
  • Fridge3
    Fridge3 Posts: 9,246 Forumite
    Nope - you're the one saying your opinion is fact.

    Like many people I mispell many words the same way when writing in haste e.g. your - you're.

    Unlike many people who don't claim intelligence based on the spelling of skilful. And you edited the reveal.:(
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