Fischer Storage Heaters

douglasm999

lstar337 wrote: »

Thanks for reporting your experience. Hopefully it wont get removed from this thread as I think it is valuable feedback from a genuine customer.

P.S. we have seen this Trust Pilot trick used before. I would consider contacting Trust Pilot to express your concern over abuse of their review system.

The report does exist. I have seen extracts (those extracts showing a favourable cumulative power consumption against three of the other four systems but without details) and been offered the full report which Fischer say will be published on their website soon. Until I see evidence to the contrary, I have no reason to doubt this.

I am happy to see Fischer address the questions raised by means of external research (I assume they have made the postings themselves as the posts use the same headline they used to answer my Trustpilot review) rather than trying to silence debate. After initially blocking my review (claiming they could not verify me as a customer despite an almost immediate telephone call to me from their CEO), they threatened to sue for defamation if I did not remove my reviews within 48 hours but backed away from that after I pointed out the absolute defence for defamation is justification (i.e. truth). So their release of the BRE report is a major step forward as it allows those with sufficient expertise to comment.

It may also allow them to challenge EPC calculations. Again, others can comment. My beef was that Fischer heaters were installed to add value to my property. The EPC conclusion (a legal requirement when selling a property in Scotland) was that they, in fact, reduced the value and should be replaced to save £1995 over three years.

As an MSc Electrical Engineer who has spent most of the last thirty years in computer science R&D, I am not qualified to comment on their claims but I certainly welcome the publication of research results for comment: that seems to me the appropriate route for debate.

Cardew

If a report that stood up to analysis existed, it would be published in full.

They would get WHICH to endorse their product.

racey

netto wrote: »

The Proof is in the heating: It's Proven beyond doubt:

We have been looking at this thread over 5 years , now we can clearly prove that these trowls on the site have no idea what they are talking about, we now know that Fischer heaters are more efficient than Dimplex Quantum , conventional storage heaters, also Gas central heating, thanks to Fischer you have just completed a head to head testing of various products. it's impressive to read the report by BRE in Watford. The Scientists have proven all the so-called experts wrong on this site. Anyway who really thinks these posters really know anything about heating and efficiency.According yo them all heaters are the same. Now they are proven wrong.
I would just like to put the facts to all readers, as these posters have distorted the facts for too long. I know who I believe the science or them!!!
Here are the facts; as per the independent tests conducted by BRE( Building research establishment) a renowned and respected body
The test was conducted in a 42 cubic metres area at 21 degrees centigrade and the consumption for the type of heating was as follows:
Fischer dynamic storage heater used 1265 watts per hour
Fischer premium Storage heater used 1168 watts per hour
Dimplex Quantum storage heater used 1852 watts per hour
Creda night storage heater used 1935 watts per hour
Gas central heating used 1897 watts per hour.

The proof is now clear that Fischer heaters use less energy than any other type of conventional heating.
All the ASA rulings about Fischer are proven to be wrong and hence I want all readers to take note that if they want to challenge this, please undertake independent testing before you make any more comments, otherwise your comments are just hot air ...
I have seen the evidence and soon this evidence will be published on the website, there are 50 pages of this report, the most comprehensive report to show the use of dynamic storage heaters of Fischer is the answer to comfortable heating in your home.
The evidence shows it's a good replacement for central heating without the need for boilers , pipes and annual maintenance.

Don't bother to challenge this until you conduct independent tests that can prove this result wrong.
We rest our case


The so called doubters should read the report, never mind me not being able to read, I think if you have any questions put them to the Scientists at BRE. I am sure most people would take their word as against yours as nobody knows who you are.
As far as re writing the laws of Physics tell that to the scientists, they are more clued up about the science behind it as they have tested it.

I'm considering this form of heating and would be grateful if you provide a link to the report on the BRE website when it is available.

matelodave

racey wrote: »

I'm considering this form of heating and would be grateful if you provide a link to the report on the BRE website when it is available.

I suggest you look very long and hard before jumping into this type of heating. It uses peak rate leccy as whatever the hype they do not store heat THEY ARE NOT STORAGE HEATERS, they have to use peak rate electricity when they are on.

They will produce the same amount of heat for the same amount of electricity as a similar sized one from Argos at £20-£50.

Be very very wary of reports commisioned by a manufactures with a vested interest. As Cardew says if they were any good WHICH would be extolling their virtues and there wouldn't be a thread like this advising of the pitfalls and problems.

lstar337

douglasm999 wrote: »

The report does exist.

But is it from a legitimate, well respected body? Or is it from some company that has a name that sounds very much like a legitimate, well respected body?

Cardew

netto wrote: »

The Proof is in the heating: It's Proven beyond doubt:

We have been looking at this thread over 5 years , now we can clearly prove that these trowls on the site have no idea what they are talking about, we now know that Fischer heaters are more efficient than Dimplex Quantum , conventional storage heaters, also Gas central heating, thanks to Fischer you have just completed a head to head testing of various products. it's impressive to read the report by BRE in Watford. The Scientists have proven all the so-called experts wrong on this site. Anyway who really thinks these posters really know anything about heating and efficiency.According yo them all heaters are the same. Now they are proven wrong.
I would just like to put the facts to all readers, as these posters have distorted the facts for too long. I know who I believe the science or them!!!
Here are the facts; as per the independent tests conducted by BRE( British research establishment) a renowned and respected body
The test was conducted in a 42 cubic metres area at 21 degrees centigrade and the consumption for the type of heating was as follows:
Fischer dynamic storage heater used 1265 watts per hour
Fischer premium Storage heater used 1168 watts per hour
Dimplex Quantum storage heater used 1852 watts per hour
Creda night storage heater used 1935 watts per hour
Gas central heating used 1897 watts per hour.

The proof is now clear that Fischer heaters use less energy than any other type of conventional heating.
All the ASA rulings about Fischer are proven to be wrong and hence I want all readers to take note that if they want to challenge this, please undertake independent testing before you make any more comments, otherwise your comments are just hot air ...
I have seen the evidence and soon this evidence will be published on the website, there are 50 pages of this report, the most comprehensive report to show the use of dynamic storage heaters of Fischer is the answer to comfortable heating in your home.
The evidence shows it's a good replacement for central heating without the need for boilers , pipes and annual maintenance.

Don't bother to challenge this until you conduct independent tests that can prove this result wrong.
We rest our case

On a forum dedicated to Money Saving, this qualifies for one of the most stupid and misleading contributions ever posted on MSE.

Firstly nothing is proven - the report hasn't been published and if such a report exists it certainly can't contain the nonsense you are reporting.

Secondly - If the ASA rulings against the company were wrong, surely the company would have got the ASA to publish a retraction.

To maintain the temperature in same room, under the same conditions, will require exactly the same amount of heat - measured in either watts, joules, calories or BTU. Given all electrical heating is 100% efficient, it will require exactly the same consumption of electricity to produce that heat. So to state that heaters from company X can produce that amount of heat from a lower consumption of electricity is WRONG. I suspect that such a report, if it exists, will say no such thing.

racey

I think I detect a hint of scepticism :)
Maybe when the report becomes available things will be clearer.

lstar337

racey wrote: »

I think I detect a hint of scepticism :)
Maybe when the report becomes available things will be clearer.

Things are already clear.

If the report states what the post above suggests, then it is either written by idiots or swindlers.

lstar337

Still, thanks for bumping this thread up to the top. It's always good for this thread to get more exposure.

Raxiel

lstar337 wrote: »

Things are already clear.

If the report states what the post above suggests, then it is either written by idiots or swindlers.

Or... Fischer have discovered the secret to over unity energy generation, and we're on the cusp of a technological revolution that equals the harnessing of fire in human development. The first step to a post scarcity society!

I wonder which one it will be.