Woodburner installed - thanks everyone for advice

grahamc2003

antdad wrote: »

Actually with the stove tightly enclosed it really doesn't circulate hot air very effectively at all and the OP's experience so far tends to confirm that.

In my case I had a similar setup (with a register plate) and I was deeply disappointed with the performance, that was greatly improved when I repositioned the stove partially forwrd into the room (10") and further improved with an angled "convection plate". Without the plate, the hot air tended to stall and just sit under the fire place which I monitored with a laser thermometer.

A large % of heat from these stoves naturally radiates from the top plate and straight up the flue especially if the flue is top mounted, all you are doing is heating the surrounding brick work or losing the heat straight up the chimney. If you keep the stove positioned as is a convection plate might make a small difference but your stove is so tightly enclosed I think you will continue to be dissapointed, stick an oil heater in a cupboard and leave the door open and see what how effectively it heats that room.

In my opinion, you are getting a little mixed up with how a stove releases its heat. It mainly works by radiating heat (as you said) with only a small amount delivered by convection. So if you tuck a stove into a small cavity, the small amount of convection will be reduced, but the main effect will be the loss of radiation into the room. Moving the stove into the room further, as you did, will put much more heat into the room, but by the direct radiant energy mainly, with a little more by convection (which in any case will mainly warm up your ceiling).

I'm not sure what exactly highrisk is doing which you say proves your point, I really have no idea what he is doing at all, neither how his stove (if he has one) is fitted. If he doesn't have a register plate (which we haven't established yet), then whatever he does whether in or out of a tight cavity, or simply shaken about, won't make much difference - he'll still have a very poorly performing stove. In addition, if he's feeding it wet wood (whether previously frozen or not) well .... hardly worth discussing anything further till those things are sorted, except for entertainment value of course.

suki1964

Even the entertainment value is waning

Mind hes now taking to sending some very weird unsolicited links via PM so check your in box

antdad

grahamc2003 wrote: »

In my opinion, you are getting a little mixed up with how a stove releases its heat. It mainly works by radiating heat (as you said) with only a small amount delivered by convection. So if you tuck a stove into a small cavity, the small amount of convection will be reduced, but the main effect will be the loss of radiation into the room. Moving the stove into the room further, as you did, will put much more heat into the room, but by the direct radiant energy mainly, with a little more by convection (which in any case will mainly warm up your ceiling).

I'm quite clear on how a stove releases heat however I believe the role of natural convection is more pronounced than you do.

highrisklowreturn

hethmar wrote: »

Oh course, the stove may have something to do with poor performance. You do tend to get what you pay for.

Hardly it's chinese, where they make the ipods and iphones, so it must be better than western gear.

muckybutt

What has an ipod got to do with a !!!!!!! stove ?.......fook all !

Russ123_2

Well thats that confirmed then, he is definately on the wind up...

welda

Russ123 wrote: »

Well thats that confirmed then, he is definately on the wind up...

He's kicking off another "troll" Local Money Saving (N Ireland) the guy needs help!!!

highrisklowreturn

Look I got this stove

http://www.whatstove.co.uk/waterford-stanley-stoves/waterford-stanley-oisin-stove.html
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055394080

It gets good reviews everywhere. In fact many of the reviews would indicate it is superior than any sh t made in Europe. If you actually look at this and the reviews and then some western stoves - made by whites - you will notice the western ones are in many cases considered inferior and possess elementary design faults. For example read the reviews of the franco-belge models where people complain of it only having two firebars at the front, thus letting debris escape easily. The chinese wouldn't make so simple an error as rather than be concerned about aesthetics - a secondary consideration - they concentrate on the basics.

Greenfires

highrisklowreturn wrote: »

The chinese wouldn't make so simple an error as rather than be concerned about aesthetics - a secondary consideration - they concentrate on the basics.

I think you're somewhat misguided there mate. Many of the cheap stoves coming out of China are pretty much copies of other stoves, but with the unit price on some of these things being in the region of 30 quid each - they're hardly going to go overboard in the QC department are they?! So you often end up with poor quality castings that don't match together, warped doors that don't seal, joints you can see the fire through and so on. Not all of them of course - but a good many. There are stoves on sale in the UK that are promoted to sound as though they're made here, and though some of the bits might be chucked together in the UK, if they're poor quality to begin with it's not going to make much difference. There are some stoves around that good installers actually refuse to fit for people!

One ebay seller recently flogging an imported range cooker that he said was "at least as good or better than many stoves costing £1000 plus" - yet the importers - who sell it £75 cheaper say it's made of 1.5mm steel and as such "is not recommended for use in the home"!! I've got heavier built butty boxes!

Your stove does get some good reviews - and I quite often tell people to have a look at the whatstove website - but you have to remember that in many cases, the people doing the reviewing won't have had experience of other stoves to make a comparison.

We're still trying to get an answer as to whether you have a register plate above your stove by the way!

Edited to say that there's some frightening "advice" being dished out on that second link you posted!

highrisklowreturn

But it's also true to say that those who criticise chinese stoves have not had direct experience of using them in much the same manner as those who have used them may not have experience of utilising their alternatives.

The Stanley stoves are vastly popular in Ireland and such popularity and ability to compete with other stove makes would not exist were they subject to each of the faults you have listed above. However, having extensively read through the whatstove website, and in contrast to reviews of "cheap" Stanley stoves, I have come across utter swathes of negative reviews of Villager, Hunter, Franco-Belge etc etc etc. Such include door rope falling off, glass breaking in no time, firebars being inadequate, vast expense of replacement items, firebricks costing £40 to replace. Throw all that in to an initial stove cost somewhere north of £1000 and tell me again if people are getting what they pay for - they bloody well ain't and you know it. Add (again) to this insistence by installers of putting in expensive and completely unnecessary flue liner and ask if people are getting their money's worth. Ultimately, I got a stove and installtion for £500. The heat is ok, and how it is convected into the room is now the only key issue. This shouldn't take more than sealing off above the stove and the installation of an eco fan. All this for £600. That £3,000 odd quid stove and installation I'm sure lucky punters in England are getting would cover my Winter coal bill (of Esse A, 1 tonne) for 10 years.

What irritates people on here is I got a good stove, a cheap installation, and I only have to tweak a small aspect of my heat flow now. I know it's infuriating to see others get a better deal but can't you saving it for a money-wasting site as opposed to a money saving one? Btw my installer sweeps at £30, is Hetas registered, and has been in the business - his own business - for years.