The Sunday Times today says most public sector workers are getting pay increases

sammyjammy

Jack_Johnson_the_acorn wrote: »

I'm in the DWP, I received an increment of £600 and a £780 performance related bonus.

So I can't really complain. I would like to think I'm worth more than my annual salary though.

I do know of "a few" people on my floor of around 100 staff that received 0 performance bonus........

The only people that received a pay award in DWP were those staff on less than £21,000 p.a, this was always disclosed in the media that those under this salary would receive an award. Any annual performance bonus for these staff would be not be £780.

Trying to stir it are you?

Le_Chuck

The_White_Horse wrote: »

you have to be a certain type to work in the public sector. I am not that type.

The average public sector worker is educated to a higher level than the the average private sector worker. You are correct you are not that type.

ILW

Dale Farm probably sums up the standard of even higher paid public sector workers. The councils lawyers are being made to look fools by a bunch of Gypsies.

Old_Slaphead

Le_Chuck wrote: »

The average public sector worker is educated to a higher level than the the average private sector worker. You are correct you are not that type.

That's a pretty sweeping statement - do you have any evidence (and more to the point, if so, do they need to be)?

Kennyboy66

Old_Slaphead wrote: »

That's a pretty sweeping statement - do you have any evidence (and more to the point, if so, do they need to be)?

But true.

Approx 40% of Public Sector workers have a degree. For private sector the number is 23%.

The number is swelled by the large number of teachers & Doctors (and recent qualified nurses).

Source is Office of National Statistics.

I'd rather have a well qualified Doctor, perhaps you would be happy with your barber doing surgery on you.

Old_Slaphead

Kennyboy66 wrote: »

But true.

Approx 40% of Public Sector workers have a degree. For private sector the number is 23%.

The reason why more in public sector have a degree is that there have been very few jobs created in private sector over the last decade and Labour have made it almost obligatory to go to University. It's not surprising that most graduates have ended up in the public sector. Most jobs (not all) do not need a degree and many job holders have degrees in non-relevant subjects....do they count too?

When one talk's about education doesn't learning a trade, vocational qualifications, apprenticeships, on the job training etc etc qualify as being educated to a higher standard ? Watching my plumber knock his house down & rebuild it recently I would suggest that he's educated to a higher standard than many pen pushing, non-relevant "degree qualified" Civil Servants.

ILW

Kennyboy66 wrote: »

But true.

Approx 40% of Public Sector workers have a degree. For private sector the number is 23%.

The number is swelled by the large number of teachers & Doctors (and recent qualified nurses).

Source is Office of National Statistics.

I'd rather have a well qualified Doctor, perhaps you would be happy with your barber doing surgery on you.

Blimey, do you need a degree to empty bins now?

OptionARMAGEDDON

Kennyboy66 wrote: »

But true.

Approx 40% of Public Sector workers have a degree. For private sector the number is 23%.

The number is swelled by the large number of teachers & Doctors (and recent qualified nurses).

Source is Office of National Statistics.

I'd rather have a well qualified Doctor, perhaps you would be happy with your barber doing surgery on you.

90% of my "public sector" colleagues are degree educated. Of those that arent, pretty much all do self-education, distance learning and often speak multiple languages. Colleague age range is from 55 down to 25, so the majority got their degrees before the great new labour experiment.

Then again, thats why our armed forces is defined not by the quality of the kit, but by our people. Its also why although people are narked about redundancy, noone is too worried. I dont know a single colleague who has left that hasnt landed on their feet within 6 months in the private sector.

lobbyludd

ILW wrote: »

Blimey, do you need a degree to empty bins now?

no, which is why the figure is 40%.

I moved from the private sector to the public sector 5 years ago. I took a paycut (and have less generous terms and conditions), but I had a young family and the stability of having one of us in a permanent job instead of continuing short-term contracts, and not both working for the same company thus spreading the risk was worth it (H worked in the same place).

"the public sector" is a big catch-all, and it contains lots of jobs that people don't understand (so does the private sector if you lump it all together), but people somehow think they should be able to instinctively know and recognise the value of a public sector post or else it should be done away with.

healthcare managers? pointless! (yes - lets have highly trained and expensive nurses and doctors ensure that the electricity bill is paid, the drug safety training occurs, the future capacity and demand for radiotherapy is planned, the emergency access for post-surgical complications is ensured during heavy snow conditions in rural areas - of course they'll have no time to treat patients, but hey ho).

Many private sector jobs have no value outside of the company you work for. Strangely though, because we can all recognise what a sales person does and understand the value it adds to the company, somehow this is a "proper" job worth bonuses (for persuading the tax-paying public to part with whatever is left over after the state has taken it's massive 300% cut from their hard-earned readies, for stuff they don't need, or initially want). Conversely ensuring that as many people as possible have safe, successful, operations to allow them to walk/see/re-enter the job market etc and remain productive isn't seen as valuable. This is far more complex than flogging stuff, and much more difficult to measure.

I know about healthcare (I'm not a manager), but I'm sure the other public sectors are the same.

could there be savings? - yes. is public healthcare more cost-effective in terms of health outcomes delivered than private healthcare already? yes. are there lazy, unmotivated people in the public and private sector? yes.

Do the share-holders create profit for a private company? no- they invest in it and provide the capital that allows the profit to be generated, but the profit is derived from the customer, you and me, and returned to the investor: we pay for the salaries, the sales bonuses and the dividends. Often the private company's biggest customer is the state: that's you and me paying again, but the profit goes to the shareholders.

have I had a payrise? - no, neither an increment, nor a cost of living increase, for 2 years.

sharnad

Cleaver wrote: »

In a strange way you're actually quite cute. It's like that TV programme where little kids give their view on the world and, although they obviously don't understand what they're saying, it's still all rather sweet and quite entertaining.

he does give everyone a laugh