Child Support / Rights & Responsibility of the father

emsywoo123

OP read this

http://www.csa.gov.uk/

invader

emsywoo123 wrote: »

I mostly enjoy being able to spell correctly.

And you women are calling me a troll?
Next you'll start calling me a Nazi, go google Godwins Law.

emsywoo123

And this

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Parents/ParentsRights/DG_4002954

And hopefully your questions will be answered!

DUTR

invader wrote: »

Well I think that to make things fairer a woman should not be able to force a man to pay money to a child he has no legal right to see, clearly if the mother refuses to allow the father to see the kid, she should not be given any financial support from the father at all? That's the first step towards fair laws reguarding child support, surely?

What if the Father chooses not to see the child?
Also you assume (in your posts ) that all parents with care are female :eek:

invader

DUTR wrote: »

What if the Father chooses not to see the child?
Also you assume (in your posts ) that all parents with care are female :eek:

If the father chooses not to see the child then he shouldn't have to pay child support. Pretty simple and clear cut I'd say. In this day and age a woman can only become pregnant if she chooses to, she can take the pill, get an abortion or put the child up for foster/adoption if she feels unable to support it financially, it seems completly unreasonable to me that women are able to exploit the law to get financial gain. It's obviously a pretty emotive topic, given how outraged everyone in this thread has become. This is headed to be pretty much just a flame war which is a shame, because it's a really importent topic which I'd have like to have learnt more about, instead of the girls reminding me why I choose to be single :rotfl:.

emsywoo123

invader wrote: »

instead of the girls reminding me why I choose to be single :rotfl:.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

DUTR

invader wrote: »

If the father chooses not to see the child then he shouldn't have to pay child support. Pretty simple and clear cut I'd say. In this day and age a woman can only become pregnant if she chooses to, she can take the pill, get an abortion or put the child up for foster/adoption if she feels unable to support it financially, it seems completly unreasonable to me that women are able to exploit the law to get financial gain. It's obviously a pretty emotive topic, given how outraged everyone in this thread has become. This is headed to be pretty much just a flame war which is a shame, because it's a really importent topic which I'd have like to have learnt more about, instead of the girls reminding me why I choose to be single :rotfl:.

Disagree, no one is flaming you, you asked for a debate and a debate is in progress, not everyone will agree with each other.
But you mention that if the nrp chooses not to see the child then they should not pay, however does the poor little might not cost anything to raise?
You came on this earth through two people not being single , the choose to be single is a cheap argument, everyone loves some flesh from time to time.

onlyroz

invader wrote: »

. In this day and age a woman can only become pregnant if she chooses to, she can take the pill, get an abortion or put the child up for foster/adoption if she feels unable to support it financially

By the same logic, a man can only get a woman pregnant if he wanted to.

I actually agree with some of what you say, but you come across as overly aggressive and defensive.

Ultimately it takes two to make a baby and so two should pay for and (ideally) be equally involved in the upbringing. However, when it comes to abortion, it's the woman's body so she should choose. How would you feel if a woman had the right to insist you had a vasectomy before she had sex with you?

Hagar_uk

1. You are not forced by law to give money, but if the mother wants it and goes through CSA, then there is backup of the law

2. It does not matter if your married or not, if the mother does not want you see the child you will never see the child. If you have money, you get get something on paper to say you have access, legally if you are on the birth certificate (you must be there to register the birth) then the theory you have equal rights with the mum

3. If your a man the system is against, does not matter how insane the mother is, the system will nearly always be on their side unless you have the odd 15-20K in money for legal fees

invader wrote: »

1: If I got a girl pregnant, without being married to her; would I be forced by the law to pay the mother money to support the child? (Or is it possible and if so in what way?)

2: If I got a girl pregnant, without being married to her; would she be able to completely deny me access to the child?

3: If the answer to the above questions is 'yes, she can deny the father access and yes she can legally force the father to pay her money' then is there any way to legally enforce an abortion or does the father have no right to ask the woman to have the child destroyed pre-birth?

invader

DUTR wrote: »

Disagree, no one is flaming you, you asked for a debate and a debate is in progress, not everyone will agree with each other.
But you mention that if the nrp chooses not to see the child then they should not pay, however does the poor little might not cost anything to raise?
You came on this earth through two people not being single , the choose to be single is a cheap argument, everyone loves some flesh from time to time.

In any situation where a child is born without a stable marrage and financially secure home environment it is without a doubt the child who suffers, I'm not trying to advocate child abuse or anything terrible like that. I am just not sure I fully understand the rules about what happens in a worst case scenario. Also I think that men should have equal rights to women, given how much of a ear ache men got at the start of the 20th century about giving women rights. The law should not be exploitable and it really looks like when it comes to having children, expected or accidentally... women hold all the cards and call all the shots. I don't think that's fair.