Child Support / Rights & Responsibility of the father

DUTR

invader wrote: »

Hang on, let me be really clear on this:
I'm not in any way afraid of this happening to me.
I saw something on Jeramy Kyle and now I'm interested about whether the laws surrounding children in the U.K are fair, and currently I feel women have too much power. It looks like they are having their cake and eating it, by having the final say on everything then legally being able to take (as DUTR claims) 15% of the fathers wages.... it seems a bit unfair to me?

Imagion a woman lies and tells a man she is on the pill, has his child then takes him to court to get 15% of his wages, he earns 100k per year and now suddenly for a cheeky one night stand the woman has 15k tax free in her pocket. She also denys the father access. Is this possible?

Never beleive everything you see on TV especially where the baby has more teeth than the adults in dispute.
15% is still cheaper than marraige and CS payments are more than the cost of a hooker :eek:

emsywoo123

invader wrote: »

How am I trolling? Stop being so offensive, cup cake.
I'm asking a reasonable question about the rights of fathers in the U.K because I do not understand how the law works. do you need to?!
I think you're trying to derail the thread by making personal attacks against me, dispite me making it clear I am single and have no plans to be in this situation.Wow, that's a relief. because everyone in that situation "plans" it! I simply am curious about how the law works as I feel that (as I understand it) the laws are unfairly weighted against the father.

You must be trolling. Or ridiculous. You asked if someone could legally enforce someone else to have an abortion. Foolishly antagonistic.

JodyBPM

Basically, if a man gets a woman pregnant, he has to pay, he won't automatically get rights of access (although I don't think courts would unreasonably withhold them) and no, he ultimately doesn't get a say in whether or not a woman chooses to abort a baby.

TBH, as a woman, I do think that the way it is is weighted against men, mostly in the fact that they are legally financially obligated based on a decision that someone else makes (ie to continue with the pregnancy). BUT an its a very, very big but, I don't see how it could be any other way. I guess ultimately if you wouldn't be prepared to pay out for a possible child, then the only way to 100% ensure that it doesn't happen is to abstain from sex, or to have a vasectomy.

In all honesty, what would you suggest to make things fairer? I can't think of any other way?

DUTR

invader wrote: »

How am I trolling? Stop being so offensive, cup cake.
I'm asking a reasonable question about the rights of fathers in the U.K because I do not understand how the law works.
I think you're trying to derail the thread by making personal attacks against me, dispite me making it clear I am single and have no plans to be in this situation. I simply am curious about how the law works as I feel that (as I understand it) the laws are unfairly weighted against the father.

invader wrote: »

I get the feeling 90% of the people posting in this thread are women.

I don't think anybody really plans to be in that situation.
Whether the majority are women, I'm sure there are easier ways to make a shilling.

invader

emsywoo123 wrote: »

You must be trolling. Or ridiculous. You asked if someone could legally enforce someone else to have an abortion. Foolishly antagonistic.

Firstly yes, I do need to understand the law. I live in the U.K and like to know how the system I am a part of works. Is it really so difficult? One day any man could be in a situation not unlike the one I outlined in my previous post and why shouldn't they be aware of the law? Maybe you enjoy ignorence?
Also yes, I asked if it was possible because in my opinion it is equally offensive for a woman to have the final say as it is offensive to you that a man should be legally allowed to impose his... do you not understand that? I knew that this knee-jerk response would happen and tried to outline that I was looking for information about the law and a reasonable discussion about whether the fathers have equal rights to the mothers of children... clearly from the replys so far the women are unable to talk in a mature way about an importent topic... oh wait, women, that explains it.

dirtysexymonkey

invader wrote: »

I get the feeling 90% of the people posting in this thread are women.

*looks down* nope, its still there.

emsywoo123

invader wrote: »

Firstly yes, I do need to understand the law. I live in the U.K and like to know how the system I am a part of works. Is it really so difficult? One day any man could be in a situation not unlike the one I outlined in my previous post and why shouldn't they be aware of the law? Maybe you enjoy ignorence?
Also yes, I asked if it was possible because in my opinion it is equally offensive for a woman to have the final say as it is offensive to you that a man should be legally allowed to impose his... do you not understand that? I knew that this knee-jerk response would happen and tried to outline that I was looking for information about the law and a reasonable discussion about whether the fathers have equal rights to the mothers of children... clearly from the replys so far the women are unable to talk in a mature way about an importent topic... oh wait, women, that explains it.

I mostly enjoy being able to spell correctly.

dirtysexymonkey

invader wrote: »

Firstly yes, I do need to understand the law. I live in the U.K and like to know how the system I am a part of works. Is it really so difficult? One day any man could be in a situation not unlike the one I outlined in my previous post and why shouldn't they be aware of the law? Maybe you enjoy ignorence?
Also yes, I asked if it was possible because in my opinion it is equally offensive for a woman to have the final say as it is offensive to you that a man should be legally allowed to impose his... do you not understand that? I knew that this knee-jerk response would happen and tried to outline that I was looking for information about the law and a reasonable discussion about whether the fathers have equal rights to the mothers of children... clearly from the replys so far the women are unable to talk in a mature way about an importent topic... oh wait, women, that explains it.

obvious troll is now obvious.;)

invader

JodyBPM wrote: »

Basically, if a man gets a woman pregnant, he has to pay, he won't automatically get rights of access (although I don't think courts would unreasonably withhold them) and no, he ultimately doesn't get a say in whether or not a woman chooses to abort a baby.

TBH, as a woman, I do think that the way it is is weighted against men, mostly in the fact that they are legally financially obligated based on a decision that someone else makes (ie to continue with the pregnancy). BUT an its a very, very big but, I don't see how it could be any other way. I guess ultimately if you wouldn't be prepared to pay out for a possible child, then the only way to 100% ensure that it doesn't happen is to abstain from sex, or to have a vasectomy.

In all honesty, what would you suggest to make things fairer? I can't think of any other way?

Well I think that to make things fairer a woman should not be able to force a man to pay money to a child he has no legal right to see, clearly if the mother refuses to allow the father to see the kid, she should not be given any financial support from the father at all? That's the first step towards fair laws reguarding child support, surely?

thegirlintheattic

The solution is called contraception - use it.

Yes you can be made to pay for the upkeep of the child. No she cannot block access, in most cases the dad can get access via a court order.