Should gay marrige be allowed?

Torry_Quine

johnnyboyrebel wrote: »

Torry_Quine wrote: »

Well not exactly your point was it? You said I am saying anyone that does not agree with me needs locking in a padded cell when clearly I did not say that.

I can accept that other people believe in God however if you read all of my posts I have simply stated that what they believe in is clearly not true. Who cares what people believe? Not me. My concern is what they are actually believing. I could state that I am a firm believer in fairies and aliens which would make me sound a bit nutty yet a Christian can not only believe such nonsense but actually base their life on it. So this does not make them very nutty?

Its the beliefs themselves that make me concerned.

So you're saying that anyone who believes in God ie believes something diferent to you needs locking up and you still say that isn't an insult! Yes my life is based on my belief in God and my personal relationship with Him. There is no need at all to be concerned my beliefs will never harm or effect you, unless of course you want them to.

esuhl

ceebeeby wrote: »

How the heck did I tell anyone what to do? I told you what my opinion was - AND MADE IT CLEAR IT WAS MY OPINION. Which I'm entitled too

Sorry if I got the wrong end of the stick - I'm just so pleased to hear that you're 100% behind the legalisation of gay marriage.

MamaMoo_2

johnnyboyrebel wrote: »

I am stating the bible is clearly not real and Jesus is a story. That is it. I apologise if you cannot accept this or will not see common sense. Rather than quoting each line of your post and saying "I am stating the bible is clearly not real and Jesus is a story. That is it." I won't waste mine or your time.....


I am not judging you or anyone. I am simply stating the whole Christian religion is not real. Whether you take this as a "judgement" or an "insult" is entirely up to you. Sure, this may be a sweeping statement from me but someone has to say it. Its an attempt to drill some sense into you. Listen to me or don't, either way has no bearing on me.

You're not judging anyone? Really? Because to me saying that someone should be locked in a padded cell for their beliefs is pretty damn judgemental. And insulting.

You say that my religion is made up, that's your opinion (and very offensive. A simple "I do not believe in your God, or any god" would suffice. No need to completely disregard my faith, that's just disrespectful and ignorant)

Whether God does or does not exist, and whether or not there is a heaven etc is something no-one will know for certain until after death. If I die, and I am reunited in the Kingdom of Heaven with my family, as I expect, I will be happy and joyous.
If not, I will be dead and that'll be it, so it won't fuss me either way.
But as it is, I fully believe in God and the afterlife, and for you to condemn my beliefs so flippantly just shows what an arrogant, ignorant pig you are.

Whether or not you believe in something is your prerogative, but to tell me I'm crazy and that my faith is bullish*t is just pure ignorance & intolerance. Learn some respect.

redped

redped wrote: »

I see johnnyboyrebel's back to his old tricks of insulting anyone he disagrees with. First it was "religious nut", then it was swearing, now it's people needing to be locked up in a padded room. He still doesn't comprehend that it is possible to debate any topic without resorting to insulting those he disagrees with.

johnnyboyrebel wrote: »

You obviously haven't read my posts. This is not a debate. It is not opinion. It is common sense. I speak sense, religion does not. That's, er, kind of it.:T

This thread is debating the topic of gay marriage, each person is sharing their opinion. You are so intolerant of others (something you hypocritically accuse Christians of being) that you simple throw insults at those who have a different opinion to you.

I have read common sense from the pro-gay marriage people on here, as well as common sense from the anti-gay marriage people. All I read in your posts is the whining opinion of an intolerant bigot.

Dave101t

the issue here is that being gay isnt natural. no other animal decides to have a relationship with another male.
thats because all animals work on instinct.
humans have a choice.
this possibly leads to the conclusion that gay is a choice, that would make an interesting science documentary.

skip to 40 seconds and watch this brief, funny and reasonable, clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klXUOM4wtT8

johnnyboyrebel

Torry_Quine wrote: »

johnnyboyrebel wrote: »

So you're saying that anyone who believes in God ie believes something diferent to you needs locking up and you still say that isn't an insult! Yes my life is based on my belief in God and my personal relationship with Him. There is no need at all to be concerned my beliefs will never harm or effect you, unless of course you want them to.

You have just said the same thing you did previously and again i will state again that I have not said this at all. I am saying people who believe something that is clearly false need a word with themselves. There is no doubt about this not being true. Whether or not you wish to believe it is irrelevant and up to you.

MamaMoo wrote: »

You say that my religion is made up, that's your opinion (and very offensive. A simple "I do not believe in your God, or any god" would suffice. No need to completely disregard my faith, that's just disrespectful and ignorant)
Whether God does or does not exist, and whether or not there is a heaven etc is something no-one will know for certain until after death. If I die, and I am reunited in the Kingdom of Heaven with my family, as I expect, I will be happy and joyous.
If not, I will be dead and that'll be it, so it won't fuss me either way.
But as it is, I fully believe in God and the afterlife, and for you to condemn my beliefs so flippantly just shows what an arrogant, ignorant pig you are.

Whether or not you believe in something is your prerogative, but to tell me I'm crazy and that my faith is bullish*t is just pure ignorance & intolerance. Learn some respect.

It is made up, this is obvious to anyone other than a christian who can only see what they want to see. It has nothing to do with me "saying your religion is made up", it is simply me stating the fact that it is not true. Again if you wish to believe that has nothing to do with me. I know it must be difficult to accept this but you need to at some point in your life.

Again it has nothing to do with me believing or not, i could believe but that is irrelevant to my point as what I would be believing is not true. This whole argument has got pedantic as you are reading my posts another way in order to have a response but look at the facts that the bible and Christianity are not true and there really is no response you can have. In fact it doesn't warrant a response as I am not asking anything although if you feel the need to respond then please do but its kind of pointless stating the same thing again and again.

redped wrote: »

who have a different opinion to you.

Again, read my posts properly.

I apologise to anyone who feels the need to call me a bigot and is upset my any of my posts. I am giving the facts as they are so if this upsets you maybe certain things need to be questioned?

vyle

So I posted here with a wikpiedia link showing about homosexuality in animals. I shall post it again, because it got deleted by the forum team.

It was in response to:

the issue here is that being gay isnt natural. no other animal decides to have a relationship with another male.
thats because all animals work on instinct.
humans have a choice.
this possibly leads to the conclusion that gay is a choice, that would make an interesting science documentary.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

It has this interesting extract:

Giraffes

Male giraffes have been observed to engage in remarkably high frequencies of homosexual behavior. After aggressive "necking", it is common for two male giraffes to caress and court each other, leading up to mounting and climax. Such interactions between males have been found to be more frequent than heterosexual coupling.[68] In one study, up to 94% of observed mounting incidents took place between two males. The proportion of same sex activities varied between 30 and 75%, and at any given time one in twenty males were engaged in non-combative necking behavior with another male. Only 1% of same-sex mounting incidents occurred between females.[69]

So as you can see, animals also engage in homosexual behaviour. It seems that in some cases that IS their instinct.

antrobus

vyle wrote: »

... So as you can see, animals also engage in homosexual behaviour. It seems that in some cases that IS their instinct.

Or try this link;

http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/10/23/20718.aspx

and consider this extract;

Homosexual behaviour has been observed in 1,500 animal species.


"We're talking about everything from mammals to crabs and worms. The actual number is of course much higher. Among some animals homosexual behaviour is rare, some having sex with the same gender only a part of their life, while other animals, such as the dwarf chimpanzee, homosexuality is practiced throughout their lives."


Animals that live a completely homosexual life can also be found. This occurs especially among birds that will pair with one partner for life, which is the case with geese and ducks. Four to five percent of the couples are homosexual. Single females will lay eggs in a homosexual pair's nest. It has been observed that the homosexual couple are often better at raising the young than heterosexual couples.

Ain't nature strange?

Ben84

Dave101t wrote: »

the issue here is that being gay isnt natural.

You can't really base a point around the word natural until you've clearly defined natural, as it does mean very different things to different people. I've generally found most points based on the concept of natural are flimsy, they often rely on several things that are just complete assumption. First, the assumption that we can divide the world in to natural and unnatural (where do these allegedly unnatural things come from if nature isn't their original source?) and they make the assumption that natural is good and unnatural is bad.

Dave101t wrote: »

no other animal decides to have a relationship with another male.

Same sex relationships are in fact well documented in animal behaviour. Anyway, aside from not being true, it's not a very substantial point either. Humans do plenty of things no other animal does, for example wear clothes, space travel and make plastics. We may be animals, but we have some very distinct human abilities. Does that make them unnatural? I think no, they are just more complex than other animals. They are still however based in the fairly universal desire to construct useful things and to explore our surroundings.

poet123

johnnyboyrebel wrote: »

Well not exactly your point was it? You said I am saying anyone that does not agree with me needs locking in a padded cell when clearly I did not say that.

I can accept that other people believe in God however if you read all of my posts I have simply stated that what they believe in is clearly not true. Who cares what people believe? Not me. My concern is what they are actually believing. I could state that I am a firm believer in fairies and aliens which would make me sound a bit nutty yet a Christian can not only believe such nonsense but actually base their life on it. So this does not make them very nutty?

Its the beliefs themselves that make me concerned.

In that it has not been proven or dis-proven, which strangely is why it is called "faith". It is akin to the gay gene then, as it has not been proven or dis proven that being gay is innate, yet I supect you believe (as I actually do;)) that it is. How does that differ?

It is completely immaterial to me what you believe, so why does it concern you so much what I believe that you need to be so rude and disrespectful? And for you to truly think that your opinion makes something fact, is deluded in the extreme.

The fact is that no one, not you, not the cleverest scientists (many of whom are, incidentally, Christians or of another faith) can prove or disprove the existence of God, and for you to keep banging on about your opinion being fact is quite frankly laughable:rotfl:

Your opinion is not factual, but it does show that you are a bigot, blinkered, and have an over inflated sense of your own importance. A couple of friends were over last night (gay friends!) and they thought your posts were hilarious.

In fact their take was that you were so anti religion because of family issues not religious issues per se.