Neighbours complained, Landlord tells me i cant exercise in my own home...

LAEllis

Emmzi wrote: »

Fixing it would involve compromise on use of treadmill by OP which he clesarly does not want to do. He would be better in a downstairs flat.

hmm...

LAEllis wrote: »

I would love to carry on as normal and jog on it at all hours but i respect my landlord and the position he's in because of their complaints. i want if possible to work something out without having to cite my rights etc.

LAEllis wrote: »

As i said, I'm aware of the issues with it but its not unreasonable to use it at the least disruptive times as its my hobby. DIY is a noisy thing, my neighbour across the road works on his car and house making tons of noise but he does so at reasonable hours and its not for prolonged periods so i have no problem whatsoever with him doing so. I expect the same courtesy to be applied to me from all my neighbours as i would and gladly do do the same.

LAEllis wrote: »

Vfm4meplse, huh? i don't understand your comment. Its not about who has been where longer its about respect, consideration and compromise. We show them both and are willing to work around issues but are apparently getting non in return and stonewalled.

celyn90, i understand it can be noisy so i only ever use it when it causes the least disturbance.

evoke, i have no interest in revenge. So what about wii fit? running on the spot? jumping jacks? dancing? weight lifting? non of these are allowed? i'm not prepared to live castrated and tip toe around. Working out at mid day is not acceptable?

LAEllis wrote: »

I am more than happy to use it at reasonable hours, i consider myself a reasonable person and would happily compromise, however they never gave me the choice. I just been 'banned' from using it. Apparently the LL asked the letting agents what he can do about me using it and they said he can what he wants as its his flat e.g. ban it.t

I think I've said it enough times already...did you even read what i've written?

poppysarah

LAEllis wrote: »

I don't know about the state of downstairs to be honest, I've never been in there. The smoke/smell wafts up through the flooring i don't know the root cause but it seems to come up through the skirting area and near most joints the best i can tell. I kinda hard to pin point where a smell comes from.

A smoke test would reveal all.

Either move though or speak to the fire brigade and landlord.

Don't burn to death in a shonky flat.

mustrum_ridcully

Mind_the_Gap wrote: »

No!

Neither landlord is responsible for their tenants' behaviour.

The tenants alone are responsible for their own behaviour.

Why do people keep insisting the LLs should sort it out?

The only kind of LL who might (in theory) be held responsible for curbing the anti-social behaviour of his tenants is the LL of a licensed HMO where the council make it a condition of the licence that he should be proactive over reports of disturbance, etc. Newcastle City Council include this condition, for example.

But these are not HMO LLs and it is Not Their Problem!

Really? In 100% of cases?

These are flats we're talking about. Chances are there is a lease. That lease will have covenants, be they about laminate flooring or disturbance to neighbours or no loud music between 11pm and 7am.

It would be very difficult for a tenant of a rented property to enforce these against another rental tenant. So it'd be upto the leaseholders (perhaps even involving the freeholder) to sort out these breaches of covenant.

missile

You complain about their smoking and it is no big surprise (to me) that they complain about your treadmill. One advantages of renting is that if you are not happy you can move on.

Be glad you do not own your property.

LAEllis

missile wrote: »

You complain about their smoking and it is no big surprise (to me) that they complain about your treadmill. One advantages of renting is that if you are not happy you can move on.

Be glad you do not own your property.

This is not always the case, and certainly isn't with us. I simply cannot 'move on' what with deposits, finding a place that's commutable for both of us and or finding a job in that area etc etc

many people have said "just move" but probably have no idea that its just not that simple. Besides as erdd2 said, why the f*@:$ should i?

And also just to be clear. I really didn't push the smoking issue because i feel it wasn't my place to say what they can and cannot do in their own home, i simply left a note telling them that we could smell it etc and hopefully they would have found a shred of compassion and maybe smoke near a open window or in the garden (which the landlord would probably prefer, but that's not my place to say). Also, it is an extreme but what if they smoked excessively and i started to notice discolouration on my property? are they going to replace it/get it professionally cleaned? if the landlord came round and accused me of smoking because the curtains smelt like smoke and told me to replace/deducted from my deposit? what if my clothes start smelling of smoke? (sometimes they do! I am a non smoker so I shouldn't have to put up with it)

SO to reiterate. I am being reasonable and letting them get on with whatever they do, even ignoring some minor issues and have been over the course of several months. BUT!! when i use the treadmill ONCE, and ONCE ONLY for half and hour at 6PM i get and instant complaint from them and a ban from my LL....someone please tell me how I am the big bad ogre in this.

melancholly

missile wrote: »

You complain about their smoking and it is no big surprise (to me) that they complain about your treadmill.

i couldn't agree more - leaving a note to say something along the lines of 'please don't smoke in your own home' is not going to do anything other than make a problem (never leave a note when you can have a conversation in the first instance and how on earth could it be interpreted other than asking them to stop?).

and now, shock horror, the neighbour is complaining about some pretty antisocial behaviour by the OP (it would wind most people up to put up with the noise repeatedly and if they were irritated by your note, they will be even more sensitive to anything you do. if you don't complain immediately, then people get tetchy about something they've been doing for ages suddenly becoming a problem). this probably could all have been resolved with doing it at reasonable times but that ship has sailed! once any possible goodwill is lost, it's hard to get it back..... OP - i think you made a rod for your own back by being picky about their behaviour and they will now be even more picky about yours......

olly300

LAEllis wrote: »

This is not always the case, and certainly isn't with us. I simply cannot 'move on' what with deposits, finding a place that's commutable for both of us and or finding a job in that area etc etc

many people have said "just move" but probably have no idea that its just not that simple. Besides as erdd2 said, why the f*@:$ should i?

You want your issued solved the quickest and easiest way.

And the quickest and easiest way is to move.

In regards to the bin bags - the only solution to that is to get a dustbin to stop the foxes ripping them apart.

In my area the council provide wheelie bins for that, however in one of my brothers] areas they have to provide their own dustbins and remove the bags from the bins on bin day. Some households don't recycle or have babies so will produce a lot of rubbish and that's how it's dealt with.

You have already been told how to deal with the smoking issue so stop whining and do it. If there is a fire risk make sure the results are given to all landlords and the letting agent plus the relevant local council departments.

In regards to the treadmill and any other sporting equipment, if you have in adequate insulation then it will make a lot of noise.

While you can keep doing it at 6pm if you continue then your landlord will give you notice to quit (and maybe a bad reference) in the break clause period.

Unless you live in the middle of no-where you should have a local park which has grass I suggest you walk to the park which is a warm up and run on the grass. You aren't the only one with sports injuries.

LAEllis

melancholly wrote: »

i couldn't agree more - leaving a note to say something along the lines of 'please don't smoke in your own home' is not going to do anything other than make a problem (never leave a note when you can have a conversation in the first instance and how on earth could it be interpreted other than asking them to stop?).

This is ridiculous, as i have already said many times. I am not that bothered about the smoking, i let it go because i understand that they should be allowed to smoke in their own home. Jesus you people just reply without reading the comments.

But for f*&L$%'s sake how on earth is it that i had to tolerate their smoking because "they are allowed to do it in their own home" but im not allowed to exercise? both activities are annoying for the opposite party involved. So be tolerable but ooh wait no, you must compromise on what they object to. echo of modern British society anyone? No wonder England is in such a mess...

reasonable times but that ship has sailed!
[COLOR="rgb(0, 191, 255)"]6pm is now classed as an unreasonable time?[/COLOR]

olly300 wrote: »

In regards to the bin bags - the only solution to that is to get a dustbin to stop the foxes ripping them apart.

we have bins, they fill them up then use the floor...

You have already been told how to deal with the smoking issue so stop whining and do it.

[COLOR="rgb(0, 191, 255)"]gaffer tape my floor up. I'm sorry but there is no way im doing that. AND AGAIN! i dont mind the smoking.[/COLOR]

Unless you live in the middle of no-where you should have a local park which has grass I suggest you walk to the park which is a warm up and run on the grass. You aren't the only one with sports injuries.

no im not the only person with sports injuries but to be honest what the &(%)$ does it matter if you or anyone else has one? i'm the one running therefore i want to make my injury less painful. how is this affected by whoever else has an injury??

ALSO AGAIN, i have already said (if you bothered to read) that i run outside twice a week but that's all i can manage without it being painful hence the treadmill. Please if you're going to reply at least do me the courtesy of reading what i have already written.

All i really what to know is: Is the ban enforceable by the LL under the T&C's in #28 on page 2?

dodger1

LAEllis wrote: »

Fully understood, i know i could be mistaken about the noise though i don't for the life of me see how it could be an unbearable intrusion or anything like that. All i really want to know is:

is it enforceable by the landlord that i do not use it under both the T&C's i stated in post #28 (page 2)?

am i being unreasonable in suggesting that i would only use it certain hours of the day so as to reduce the potential disturbance? e.g. 12-3pm or something like that

The only reasonable time to use a treadmill in an upstairs flat would be when the downstairs neighbours are out.

LAEllis

dodger1 wrote: »

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The only reasonable time to use a treadmill in an upstairs flat would be when the downstairs neighbours are out.

I had originally considered this and tbh would prefer it. As far as i can tell there are 6 people living there but only one works (the one that comes home at 2am) Unless the others work from home. I shall try again to contact them, i know they're in but they just ignore the door.