DLA Troubles - ATOS liars!

Oldernotwiser

cit_k wrote: »

What about healthier though, I was always under the impression fresh stuff is far better than frozen.

No, frozen vegetables are far more nutritious unless you know that the vegetables have been freshly picked, which they won't have been if bought from shops.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1255606/Why-frozen-vegetables-fresher-fresh.html

(Apologies for the DM link.)

Anubis_2

cit_k wrote: »

Ignore for now ATOS/DWP/DLA legislation, this is regarding the guidance and rules from the assessors professional regulatory body, the GMC.

This over-rides ALL atos, dwp, dla legislation.

GMC have confirmed to me that any report for benefit purposes is covered by that document, I was specifically asking about ESA and IB, but DLA is undeniably a benefit from the governemtn, so will fall under that guidance, which states that the assessor must offer to show a copy of the report that will be sent to the decision maker before it is sent.

ATOS rules probably say the opposite, but they cannot over-ride the ethical guidance from the GMC, if the assessor fails to follow the rule, report them.

Thanks for the explanation.

As for fresh verses frozen, fresh is obviously healthier, but frozen is not too far behind. The cooking test was never just about peeling and chopping veg though, and ready cooked supermarket foods cost more, which is what some of the extra is for.

clemmatis

Anubis wrote: »

Thanks for the explanation.

As for fresh verses frozen, fresh is obviously healthier, but frozen is not too far behind. The cooking test was never just about peeling and chopping veg though, and ready cooked supermarket foods cost more, which is what some of the extra is for.

Quite. It's about the extra costs of disability.

And ready-chopped vegetables cost more and keep far less well.

krisskross wrote:

Surely everyone can put a sachet of rice in the microwave for 2 minutes.

and microwaveable rice costs more.

krisskross wrote:

Or again frozen is available. No peeling, chopping etc needed these days unless you choose to do it. Lots and lots of alternatives.

which cost more.

And DLA LRC isn't given for extra cooking costs only, there are other added costs as well.

As people here have been trying to say...

deathvalleydemon

sabredon wrote: »

'They' are not telling people to get off sick benefits and into work at all. What 'they' are saying is that JSA would be the more appropriate benefit to claim, not ESA.

what a load of bollox.

take for instance myself.. currently appealing an esa claim, cannot wipe my own backside, cannot get in and out of the bath myself, cannot shave, wash or brush my hair, i have fibromyalgia, cfs and pain amplification syndrome.. all diagnosed by my specialists at the hospital, atos ignored all of this and said i was 100% fit and healthy for work and awarded me 9 points.

i couldnt claim jsa instead of esa because i couldnt complete the relevant jobsearch to be entitled to any of the jsa money... my disabilities wouldnt allow me to do this... i had a perfectly good job i had to leave after 3 years due to becoming disabled due to an accident...

i know what the plan is tho... too ill to claim jsa as i wouldnt be able to fulfill my end of the required things, but not sick enough for esa...

isnt it lovely being a part of the son of thatcher big society!

Anubis_2

Out of interest, what where the 9 points for?

clemmatis

krisskross wrote: »

Food has moved on since the cooking test was decided on. I can buy ready mashed or prepared in other ways potato or rice, frozen chopped onions. I can get a delicious pot of layered fresh vegetables from Asda. Get a ready cooked delicious chicken from any of the supermarkets. You really aren't limited to microwavable ready meals.

Often it appears that those on the low rates of DLA don't really have much in the way of extra costs.

Ah. I missed this gem. Yes, food has moved on. Now I can buy ready prepared potatoes that cost more and won't keep as long, frozen chopped onions that cost more and won't keep as long, "layered fresh vegetables" that cost a lot more, etc..

I suggest you drop in on old style money saving and debt free wannabee and tell them they're wasting their time...

Oh yes, and -- again -- the extra costs aren't only cooking ones. The cooking test was a general test. You can find all this on the web... .

krisskross

clemmatis wrote: »

Ah. I missed this gem. Yes, food has moved on. Now I can buy ready prepared potatoes that cost more and won't keep as long, frozen chopped onions that cost more and won't keep as long, "layered fresh vegetables" that cost a lot more, etc..

I suggest you drop in on old style money saving and debt free wannabee and tell them they're wasting their time...

Oh yes, and -- again -- the extra costs aren't only cooking ones. The cooking test was a general test. You can find all this on the web... .

What a load of rubbish. How are fresh onions going to keep as long as frozen chopped ones? Fresh layered veg pot costs 80p in Asda. Would be enough for 2 meals. Got to be cheaper than buying the carrots,cabbage, sweetcorn, peas, etc fresh. I am the stingiest person around but I buy these as it is cheaper than buying the fresh veg and wasting some.

I grow a lot of my own veg but purely for the taste. They end up more expensive than supermarket stuff.

Anubis_2

clemmatis wrote: »

Ah. I missed this gem. Yes, food has moved on. Now I can buy ready prepared potatoes that cost more and won't keep as long, frozen chopped onions that cost more and won't keep as long, "layered fresh vegetables" that cost a lot more, etc..

I suggest you drop in on old style money saving and debt free wannabee and tell them they're wasting their time...

Oh yes, and -- again -- the extra costs aren't only cooking ones. The cooking test was a general test. You can find all this on the web... .

Don't forget the cooked sausages and chicken etc that undoubtedly costs more. . We can't live off lettuce, microwave carp and frozen onions

Oh and again, yes, the cooking test is NOT just about peeling veg and making mash.... . :beer:

Oldernotwiser

clemmatis wrote: »

Quite. It's about the extra costs of disability.

And ready-chopped vegetables cost more and keep far less well.




and microwaveable rice costs more.



which cost more..

But costs more than what? You're talking as if non disabled people don't use these things, whereas obviously many of them do.

Oldernotwiser

Anubis wrote: »

Thanks for the explanation.

As for fresh verses frozen, fresh is obviously healthier, but frozen is not too far behind. The cooking test was never just about peeling and chopping veg though, and ready cooked supermarket foods cost more, which is what some of the extra is for.

Not much point anybody providing evidence if it's just going to be ignored.