DLA Troubles - ATOS liars!

krisskross

sabredon wrote: »

I'm on ESA and in the support group. A couple of weeks ago a friend heard that an employer is looking for someone with my experience and capabilities. I met up with the senior partner over lunch a week or so ago and he offered me a self employed contract for as long as I would want it, to work from home for as many hours as I could offer.

Should I take this job? I don't know if I am fit enough both physically or mentally. But I am not going to turn it down out of hand and will arrange another luncheon meeting in the next few weeks to see if I can fit my abilities around it.

For all intents and purposes, I have been written off from work, was retired on the grounds of ill health and spend half my life either in bed or in hospital.

But if there is a way I can earn some money instead of raking in my £100 each week from ESA, I will give it a damn good try even if I can only work 4 hours a week and earn the £100 a week!!

Have you seen this poster has admitted to being andy?

cit_k

Anubis wrote: »

Are they required to do this? I know mine didn't show me mine, but I got a copy when I requested it after the award was made, which was then HRM MRC.

The Atos Dr who came was quite abrupt to say the least, but his report and assessment equalled medical evidence at the time.

He had wrote down some strange things though such as the house and my appearance being "unkempt" :eek: To be fair I haven't had a haircut in years, but the house being unkempt in his opinion should have no bearing on the matter! He also mentioned my feet - soft foot
base, along with his medical results such as neuro/ asthma/ heart tests etc, not sure what the base of my foot has to do with such tests :rotfl:

Anyway would be handy to know if they are meant to show you the report? He only read out what myself and my carer stated, he never showed or read anything he had put.

Yes, they have to offer you a copy of the report before it is sent to the decision maker, I have specifically confirmed this is the case for IB and ESA, unable to see why it would be any different for DLA, as that is also a benefit, and any assessment for benefit purposes (or employment or insurance) purposes has to allow the person being assessed a copy of the report before it is sent to the person or persons making the decision.

If you require some proof to throw at them, try this, direct from the GMC.

Worth a read, as it also shows a lot of other useful info that shows atos breach many rules on many occasions.

cit_k

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

Very few non disabled people cook elaborate meals from scratch; the idea that disabled people should be compensated for not being able to do so was a bit silly.

Remind me where in legislation it said it had to be an 'elaborate' meal?

cit_k

DaveHedgehog wrote: »

Thank you very much for this post.

I've been doing a little bit of reading and I don't think I'd be able to use it in a tribunal but recording the assessment for my own personal use is fine. I could record it, then transcribe it and present the text to the DWP or the tribunal if it got that far.

Do you know of any examples where those recording were used in tribunals?

You can submit it to a tribunal, there is nothing in law stopping you, and no law stopping a tribunal from considering it as evidence.
In fact, there is case law supporting its use, but its very much down still to the individual tribunal what they accept as evidence.
A transcript is much more likely I would think to be accepted, as long as you can supply the original tape if asked.

I have successfully used a recording to win a reconsideration at dwp level before it got to appeal stage. They did not even ask to listen to the evidence, simply being able to quote the lies word for word alongside what I said, word for word was enough, combined with the fact I told them I had the whole lot on tape.

I have also had a ESA medical officially recorded by ATOS, on evidential quality triple deck equipment at their own cost.

The DWP wrote to the tribunal service saying, believe it or not, that if the tribunal required a copy of the taped evidence they should contact me to sort out a copy!!!!
Despite the fact both ATOS and the DWP have their own copies.

clemmatis

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

Very few non disabled people cook elaborate meals from scratch; the idea that disabled people should be compensated for not being able to do so was a bit silly.

First, elaborate meals aren't the issue, the test (the old test, now abolished) was whether someone could cook anything but a ready meal; and as I said, the cooking test was also a more general test of competence: ability to lift, and grip, and so on; applicable not only when cooking. When applicable to cooking, it covered, for example, preparing vegetables: peeling potatoes, chopping onions, and so on.

Second, this is the money-saving forum, replete with posts on how to eat well and healthily on little money. The answer given always is, cook from scratch. And though that doesn't mean "cook a cordon bleu meal" it also doesn't mean "buy chopped onions and peeled chopped potatoes and pre-prepared side salads to make a 'meal'".

DLA was, and should still be, a benefit given in recognition of the fact that disabled people incur additional living costs.

krisskross

clemmatis wrote: »

First, elaborate meals aren't the issue, the test (the old test, now abolished) was whether someone could cook anything but a ready meal; and as I said, the cooking test was also a more general test of competence: ability to lift, and grip, and so on; applicable not only when cooking. When applicable to cooking, it covered, for example, preparing vegetables: peeling potatoes, chopping onions, and so on.


DLA was, and should still be, a benefit given in recognition of the fact that disabled people incur additional living costs.

Food has moved on since the cooking test was decided on. I can buy ready mashed or prepared in other ways potato or rice, frozen chopped onions. I can get a delicious pot of layered fresh vegetables from Asda. Get a ready cooked delicious chicken from any of the supermarkets. You really aren't limited to microwavable ready meals.

Often it appears that those on the low rates of DLA don't really have much in the way of extra costs.

Oldernotwiser

cit_k wrote: »

And of course, how many people jump in to attack posters, rather than stay on topic, and do so without a shred of evidence as per usual.
As evidenced by your own comment.

You seem to have missed the point that I jumped in to support a poster (and a disabled poster as well!).

cit_k

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

You seem to have missed the point that I jumped in to support a poster (and a disabled poster as well!).

Saying people jump in with paranoid stuff, without backing it up, is not exactly backing someone else up is it?

Its exactly as I described.

cit_k

krisskross wrote: »

Food has moved on since the cooking test was decided on. I can buy ready mashed or prepared in other ways potato or rice, frozen chopped onions. I can get a delicious pot of layered fresh vegetables from Asda. Get a ready cooked delicious chicken from any of the supermarkets. You really aren't limited to microwavable ready meals.

Often it appears that those on the low rates of DLA don't really have much in the way of extra costs.

Are those cheaper than buying fresh veg/chickens/onions/pototoes etc? Or more expensive?

Are they healthier, premashed stuff, frozen veg etc? Or not as healthy?

Anubis_2

cit_k wrote: »

Yes, they have to offer you a copy of the report before it is sent to the decision maker, I have specifically confirmed this is the case for IB and ESA, unable to see why it would be any different for DLA, as that is also a benefit, and any assessment for benefit purposes (or employment or insurance) purposes has to allow the person being assessed a copy of the report before it is sent to the person or persons making the decision.

If you require some proof to throw at them, try this, direct from the GMC.


Worth a read, as it also shows a lot of other useful info that shows atos breach many rules on many occasions.

I thought they were obliged to show you what they had written about what you state, in your own words, and this is what you sign.


However, I didn't think they were obliged to show you their own report based on their own findings before sending it off, because that part you are not signing.

I am off to look at your link