DLA Troubles - ATOS liars!

DaveHedgehog

GlasweJen wrote: »

I think some disabled people have to change their attitude a bit to be honest. Yes there are those who can't work but there are plenty of disabled people who can and it's refreshing to see a new benefit that can be claimed while disabled and job seeking.

I'm single, house bound, disabled and I rely on the care of others for my safety and well being. If if weren't for the help care of others I would be dead. My disorder is neurological and it is not a case of mind over matter.

GlasweJen wrote: »

Why do people want to be resigned to a life in their livingroom?

They don't.

Please get out of the mindset of thinking disabled people are scroungers who are trying it on

GlasweJen

What's being single got to do with the price of cheese? I'm single too, neurologically impaired, cardiac patient, hearing impaired and waiting on a heart transplant.

Anyway, I was refering to the post by Anubis, the part about "no one's going to employ them anyway".

wantsajob

GlasweJen wrote: »

I've never had problems getting a job even though I score highly in the old work capability assessment and the new one for ESA. Why do people want to be resigned to a life in their livingroom?

You're probably lucky that your disability does not affect your ability to give a good impression to prospective employers. Your view of disabled people seems to be clouded by your fortunate ability. I OTOH have constantly tried seeking for work for years on end, and never had any luck. I might even well be contemplating suicide because I might hate the idea of life continuing as it has. I want to feel useful and to have some sort of purpose in life, as well as financial security. I hate being socially excluded and kept by the sidelines for year after year, like it's some big joke I would even consider applying for a job.

As always my opinion is - unless you're offering the jobs, your thoughts do not matter.

DaveHedgehog

I don't like the tone of GlasweJen's posts either. Disabled people are vulnerable and in need of help and care, most people would work if they could, the notion that people do not want to work is a fallacy, especially amongst those of us who are educated who have had long standing well paid jobs in the past.

I share your sentiments too wantsajob.

Edit:
Can we get this thread back on track please, this is nothing to do with my original post.

Anubis_2

GlasweJen wrote: »

What's being single got to do with the price of cheese? I'm single too, neurologically impaired, cardiac patient, hearing impaired and waiting on a heart transplant.

Anyway, I was refering to the post by Anubis, the part about "no one's going to employ them anyway".

Perhaps I was posting that more from my own circumstances. Having to spend 90 percent of life in bed means that no one would employ me even if I was capable to work.

I would give ANYTHING to take the pain away and be able to work - I am a staunch believer in working, and if amputating my legs for example meant that it would minimize the pain/ exhaustion/ cognitive issues, I would happily go right now and have them taken off - without ANY hesitation, because that would then mean i could work and my chances of getting a job would increase tenfold.

Do uou thin I want to spend my life in bed day after day being of no use to anyone and having to depend on everyone? I have an alert mind, several qualifications ranging from business management to counselling to youth worker and I am jot able to do a single thing with them today ( although I have in the past)

It is soul destroying not being able to work when you desperatly want to. I am not a naturally lazy person, infact I cannot abide laziness, so for me being in bed is a double whammy that STILL eats away at me after all this time.

I also know that for people with mental health issues it is incredibly hard for them to get a job - mental health issues are not something an employer will take on.

Being on ESA long term is not the solution and no one is expecting people to be wet nursed by the state, but there are a group of people who genuinely cannot work who would love to, and there are also a group who can do limited work who have little chance of being taken on, just as there are a group who can also do limited work and have a much better chance of being taken on - it depends on what is wrong with them and the social stigma that is attached to what is wrong.

If you are fortuntate enough to find work given limited abilities, then all power to you - however, for many that is not the case, and I have no idea what the answer is, but being on ESA is not the answer.

Hammyman

DaveHedgehog wrote: »

I don't wish for you to comment on "disease of your own making", what my disability is or isn't bares no consequence, he was told my diagnosis which is classified by the World Health Organisation and the DWP as a neurological disorder and instead of assessing me based on this, he wrote that the reason I am disabled is because i choose to be and made no reference what so ever to my neurological disorder.

To be brutally honest, when it comes to DLA, it doesn't matter what your diagnosis is and whether it is on the WHO list or not. DLA is based on the level of care a person needs above a "normal" person. It is not based on diagnosis or what pills you do or do not take unless they prevent you from carrying out the tasks DLA is there to help you achieve. It is based solely on what help you need to carry out basic tasks and to get out and about.

So whilst you can go on and on that he took no interest in your diagnosis, that is because he isn't required to. His job is to look at your current level of mobility, the current living conditions and assess what adaptations, if any or what help, if any you need to carry out basic daily functions like washing, getting dressed, going to the toilet and preparing a meal. That is the sole purpose of the assessment. It is not to say you are ill or not or you have your condition or you do not.

Too many people think that you get DLA because you are ill. You don't. You get DLA because you need help to carry out certain tasks.

Hammyman

DaveHedgehog wrote: »

In the report he wrote "Takes his pills every now and again".

You are aware that this actually goes in your favour? It can be counted that you do not take care of yourself sufficiently to take your medication on your own and need help to ensure you take it.

DaveHedgehog

Hammyman wrote: »

You are aware that this actually goes in your favour? It can be counted that you do not take care of yourself sufficiently to take your medication on your own and need help to ensure you take it.

I'd rather not lie I take them everyday, I have to.

wantsajob

Hammyman wrote: »

Too many people think that you get DLA because you are ill. You don't. You get DLA because you need help to carry out certain tasks.

Does DLA actually fund such help though? For example, someone has difficulty cooking and can only cook microwave meals. They get the low rate DLA of about £20 a week. I couldn't hire a chef for £20 a week. In reality it's just an extra £20 so they can buy Tesco Finest, instead of Tesco value microwave nosh. Or more likely completely subsumed by all other financial requirements of someone on low income. If DLA provided the actual help required, instead of a bit of money - then perhaps it would be viewed in the manner you suggest it should be. The reality is the help required would cost far far more money than what is paid out in DLA.

krisskross

wantsajob wrote: »

Does DLA actually fund such help though? For example, someone has difficulty cooking and can only cook microwave meals. They get the low rate DLA of about £20 a week. I couldn't hire a chef for £20 a week. In reality it's just an extra £20 so they can buy Tesco Finest, instead of Tesco value microwave nosh. Or more likely completely subsumed by all other financial requirements of someone on low income. If DLA provided the actual help required, instead of a bit of money - then perhaps it would be viewed in the manner you suggest it should be. The reality is the help required would cost far far more money than what is paid out in DLA.

Perhaps DLA should be scrapped altogether then if it is so useless?

Certainly low rate care should go.