How sad ... :(

relic

BugglyB wrote: »

You know this same debate is playing out on every message board on the internet don't you guys:

'I'm sat here in tears'
'You didn't even know her'
'She deserved it she was a junkie'
'My mum was a junkie are you saying she deserved to die'
'Why cry about just a celebrity'
'Its as bad as when Diana died'
'Someone think of the norwegians'
'Someone think of the africans'
'Someone think of the children'

You lot are just a cliche, you know that don't you

You've pretty much described everything you could about someone famous dying, that's not a cliche.

janninew

meritaten wrote: »

why do people say that alcoholism/drug addiction is a disease? That is a myth put about by people who wont take responsibility for their own actions. A disease is something you catch - therefore its 'not your fault'. Alcoholism and drug addiction are lifestyle choices. TAKE RESPONSIBILITY! those that do, can beat it - those that dont - Die, mess up thier lives and those of their families.
Amy made her lifestyle choice despite repeated attempts to get her 'clean' by her caring family - she always went back to the drugs. It wasnt a disease! she got clean/cured and then she started on them again.
I feel sorry for Amy and her family - especially her family. but, as Amy said 'They tried to make me go to Rehab, but I said No, No, No'. shame - she was a talented woman!

Not having any experience with addictions I've always wondered about it being a disease or not. I can understand once you start taking drugs you can become addicted, but surely people make that very first choice to start taking drugs knowing full well what might happen? I know some people are supposed to have 'addictive personalities,' but I think you have to be careful not to use this as an excuse.

Its a shame for anybody to die so young, but its not Amy suffering now, its her family and friends that she left behind who have it to deal with it.

Lets hope she has found peace.

threemuttleys

The_pc_tech wrote: »

I'm afraid I don't understand the obsession with celebrities and the mass outpouring of grief and extwnsive TV coverage when they die (or while they are living in a lot of cases these days).

While its regrettable that she died in this way personally I think there are far more important things to worry about.more saddening like what's happened in Norway, people who are homeless or hungry, the elderly having to choose between heating and eating, those who are all alone in the world etc.

The enforced national grief over Diana was nauseating too, at the time I attended a Catholic secondary school and we had a memorial Mass, Book of Condolence. a one minute silence etc, if you dared to criticise it (I did) you got very stern looks from the teachers and support staff.

I also had a blazing row with my Mum who got whipped up in the mass hysteria.

If you really have time to cry over these people, remember there are probably many people around you who could do with your help even if its just providing a listening ear, you will mean more to them than you do to any so-called celebrity.

This is not criticiam of any poster, just my take on the situation.

I wish you all that you wish for yourselves and your families.

Live long and prosper.

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RichGold

BugglyB wrote: »

'Its as bad as when Diana died'

I personally have been waiting for that particular cliche since about 10 past 4 on Saturday, and its finally arrived.

I feel like I should give you some sort of prize.

GracieP

suki1964 wrote: »

However what makes someone who knows that another drink will kill him/her will still pick up that drink?

Quite simply; severe damage to the GABA(b) receptors which are one half of the receptors for our chief neurotransmitter, gamma-Aminobutyric acid. Alcohol (and most types of drug) abuse leads to impairment of these receptors, the more someone drinks the worse they function leading to often debilitating physical symptoms. Unfortunately the most obvious way to alleviate these symptoms is to keep using the drug of choice, this is what causes the overwhelming cravings. Most crucially, as with all addictive substances, over time more and more of the drug becomes necessary to mask the symptoms of the brain damage. No mystery, no spiritual deficiency, no lifelong incurable illness just straightforward neuroscience. Many people who have addictions also often have untreated mental illnesses like depression, bi-polar disorder, schizophrenia, etc. These illnesses are often the reason why the addict began self-medicating and they usually go undiagnosed while the addiction is active.

Alcoholism is not a disease as most people understand the word diseases. It is however a severe brain injury which can be repaired with the proper treatment. There are numerous excellent, excellent therapies for addiction, unfortunately they are not well known and most people's understanding of addiction is based upon the "teachings" of the extremely profitable, almost completely ineffective addiction industry and it's 80 year old philosophy derived from a time before neuroscience and modern medical knowledge.

More people die annually from alcohol addiction than do from any single form of cancer. Addiction is an extremely serious medical condition. It isn't as simple as they are just people making a selfish choice. But neither is it as complex as it being a mysterious lifelong illness.

Ms Winehouse was clearly an unhappy woman, she self-medicated with drugs and alcohol which may have temporarily made her feel better, but ultimately made her feel worse. Over time an addiction developed and grew more severe as it continued. I was no great fan of her music (it's just not my thing) but I do think it's heartbreaking that someone who was most clearly suffering wasn't given correct, 21st century treatment and was instead taken advantage of by numerous extremely expensive rehab facilities who teach archaic and very damaging concepts like "powerlessness" and "spiritual deficiency." And I think it's utterly horrifying that the same is true for hundreds of thousands of others every single year.:(

onlyroz

meritaten wrote: »

why do people say that alcoholism/drug addiction is a disease? That is a myth put about by people who wont take responsibility for their own actions.

Unless you have suffered from addictions yourself, you cannot possibly understand how debilitating they are. It is not as simple as making a lifestyle choice. Yes, there might have been a choice in the beginning, but there comes a point where the illness takes over and the choice is removed.

RichGold

GracieP wrote: »

Quite simply; (too long a post to quote).:(

Great post Gracie, that's the kind of intelligent, well thought out opinion this thread needed, as opposed to someone saying "how would u feel if it woz ur daughter?"

And in answer to that, if it was my daughter I'd be amazed, and then I'd want to know who her mother was.

The_pc_tech

I don't think alcoholism and drug addiction can be compared (and thankfully I've suffered from neither) but let me explain my thiniking before you flame me.

Drinking an alcoholic beverage is an accepted social norm, an alcoholic is not likely to know they are an alcoholic before they touch alcohol.

You cannot just get hold of drugs and it is an accepted social norm among a smaller group of people, meaning you have to make the choice to pertake in the activity which she obviously chose to do as it is quite obvious when someone is under the influence as you can see it. so the question is, what made her want to be in that particular condition?

onetomany

well coming from a x druggie , and someone who has buried my lovely sister at the age of 21 i can honstely say that adiction is a ilness , a mental one i didnt start drugs (before anyone shoots me down my alcholic mum started us on it) thinking i would get adicted nor did i think my lovely sister and best friend in the world would die all i can say is such a shame about amy, and my dad says the worse thing in the world is to bury your own daughter its been 16 years but still feels like yesterday rip amy , i hope u find peace x

pinksuedeshoes

onetomany wrote: »

well coming from a x druggie , and someone who has buried my lovely sister at the age of 21 i can honstely say that adiction is a ilness , a mental one i didnt start drugs (before anyone shoots me down my alcholic mum started us on it) thinking i would get adicted nor did i think my lovely sister and best friend in the world would die all i can say is such a shame about amy, and my dad says the worse thing in the world is to bury your own daughter its been 16 years but still feels like yesterday rip amy , i hope u find peace x

what courage to say all that. I am really sorry about your sister that is terrible and yes i do believe it is a mental illness. I have never had drugs but people can get addicted to all sorts of things and who is any one of us to judge anyone else.