You can refuse the Work Programme

LadyMissA

DebiT wrote: »

Well its still in its early stages, but so far the DWP havent been back to anyone, and until they do the matter is ongoing and no action has been taken by them or the jobcentre.

Some people have already attended their first appointment on the work programme, given in the letter (a copy of which they have also sent to the providers head office), and so far no action has been taken by the providers either.

It does state on the forms they ask you to sign that if you refuse permission for them to use your data you will not be sanctioned, so why some people on here are trying to scare others into going along with this hogwash is beyond me.

so then you dont sign it? why give someone the offer of signing it or not if they REALLY want you to sign it?

If I don't sign it then what? They already have my info?

Maybe everyone who was refered to the work prgramme should have asked the JCP a bit more about it, I know I will this Friday & if they are sending me there I want info on it

Karins

LadyMissA wrote: »

what details do they need to 'work with me'?

they would need contact details to arrange appointments, what sort of work you are looking for, do you have dependent children or caring responsibilities that may limit the hours you can work, copy of CV - if they do not get these from JCP then they will ask you to provide the information but if you fail to do so it could be considered non-compliance. They may ask for bank details if you need money to travel to interviews or buy clothes for interviews or have childcare costs when they need you to attend or they may be able to pay these in cash -not sure yet what is happening.
The bottom line is there is no alternative to work programme and unlike previous programmes you can't be thrown off you are their responsibility whatever happens for 2 years even if you become ill and go onto ESA you stay with work programme.

DCFC79

DebiT wrote: »

What kind of proof do you want? The Jobcentre have your bank details from the moment you sign on - thats how they pay your benefit into your account. Also, one of the forum members on the site I mentioned goes into detail as to how his provider wanted his bank details.

Look, obviously youre not affected by this, unless perhaps you work for a provider and perhaps thats why you are you so bothered about people knowing their rights?

oh jeez another 1 who is now umping to conclusions, i am not in work hence im looking for work so dont jump to conclusions. Im just intrigued thats all. You really taking some guys word off the internet about it. I am interested in it because IF it turns out to be true and it gets to the point I end up doing the programme I dont want my details to be shared.

dugdale_2

DebiT please respond to DCFC79's request that you provide proof that JCP are giving customers Bank Account details to Work Programme providers.
I could explain the whole process of data transfer between JCP and Work Programme providers thus informing forum members that bank account details could not possible be transferred but only feel it right that as you made the accusation you have the opportunity to provide proof of it happening.

DCFC79

dugdale wrote: »

DebiT please respond to DCFC79's request that you provide proof that JCP are giving customers Bank Account details to Work Programme providers.
I could explain the whole process of data transfer between JCP and Work Programme providers thus informing forum members that bank account details could not possible be transferred but only feel it right that as you made the accusation you have the opportunity to provide proof of it happening.

thankyou, OP is there another source you can call on, your making assumptions on what 1 person said

[Deleted User]

If you don't want to go on the work program, that's fair enough. Just don't expect to continue getting your benefits. You have 12 months signing on before you get moved to the program, is that not long enough?

DebiT

dugdale wrote: »

DebiT please respond to DCFC79's request that you provide proof that JCP are giving customers Bank Account details to Work Programme providers.
I could explain the whole process of data transfer between JCP and Work Programme providers thus informing forum members that bank account details could not possible be transferred but only feel it right that as you made the accusation you have the opportunity to provide proof of it happening.

Excuse me but I never said the JCP are giving customer's bank account details to work programme providers. If you read my post l actually said:
"Whatever the jobcentre has unlawfully sent them, that they dont tell you. Plus everything else once you have signed. Name, address, tel no, NI details, CV, some even ask for bank details etc.,"

By this I meant that once you have signed the data waver they can ask you any private information, and some have requested bank details (not from JCP).

DebiT

Just to back up what I said about some people who have been asked for their bank account details from their provider - here's a link http://www.workprogramme.org.uk/201107071575/unenforceable-workfare-forced-consent-jobseekers-agreement.html

dugdale_2

Ah, I understand now. What you're saying is that JCP unlawfully sends a lot of information to Work Programme Providers but you can't tell us what they send because JCP don't tell you. (How do you know that what has been sent over is unlawfull if you don't know what's been sent over ?)

When you visit the work Programme provider you might be asked to sign a data waiver form asking for private information such as your name, address, telephone number, NI number, Cv and even your bank account details.

I would have thought that if you're to visit a Work Programme Provider it would be rather useful for them to know your name (so they know who you are), your address (so they can send you appointment letters or information about suitable vacancies) ditto your phone number. Your national insurance number comes in handy so you can be identified and if the Work Programme provider succeeds in finding you employment they might need it when claiming their fee of JCP. I'm not really suprised that an organisation who have been tasked in getting someone back into work is asking for a copy of your CV. In fact I'd go as far as saying that if they didn't they wouldn't be doing their job correctly. As has been previously mentioned Work Programme providers are responsible for any travel to interview costs, financial help with interview clothes etc so I can understand why they might ask for bank account details, did your provider ask for yours or is it just hearsay?

dugdale_2

DebiT wrote: »

Just to back up what I said about some people who have been asked for their bank account details from their provider - here's a link http://www.workprogramme.org.uk/201107071575/unenforceable-workfare-forced-consent-jobseekers-agreement.html

Many employers pay salaries direct into a bank account. I believe that the provider is asking for someone to prove that they have a bank account so that there will be no issue should they be given an offer of employment. Ditto the question regarding a passport or birth certificate, they're trying to assertain whether someone has proof of identity as that is often required before someone can be offered a position. Again acceptable questions to be asked by a work programme provider.