Nice people thread part 4 - sugar and spice and all things

GDB2222

Are you in a fit state physically to go over and sort things out?

lostinrates

GDB2222 wrote: »

Are you in a fit state physically to go over and sort things out?

yes, today I am.

I have no animal cover though. I'm not even thinking about going to london yet: they said they send a forensics team in to every domestic burglary in London (you guys get thorough service) to look for prints etc so while I doubt that will be any great revelation to them I shouldn't complicate things by getting in the way, and won't be able to do anything until they give go ahead anyway.

I'm don't know that area by car at all, so that could be interesting too, but if I go there, I might as well empty the room to give options of letting the room go/relieve any anxiety about ''stuff''.

I'll wait and make a decision what to do when I know more.

GDB2222

Do the animals really need looking after the whole time?

lostinrates

GDB2222 wrote: »

Do the animals really need looking after the whole time?

no!

But timing might be an issue.

e.g. I could leave now for about five/six hours :the dogs can cross their legs that long,m in fact, now would be perfect. The thing is...can I get through the City within that time (milage fine, traffic might not be) and then, I'm told the forensics might not be donew until this afternoon. That then puts me in difficulty with daylight hours (chickens), feeding (my animals and clients). My animals outside can wait: clients' shouldn't have to. Much later in the day and I also have to factor in traffic coming out of london.....which could make something that should take five hours take a lot longer: that would be harder on the dogs, and very risky for the poultry.

Its a balancing act, my animals, the poultry and day light hours and clients' animals.....they have different needs. TBH, the animal welfare comes higher than ''stuff'', as does my service to my clients.

lemonjelly

lostinrates wrote: »

I still don't know about these:

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I which they had some brown ones, or mustard ones.

An overwhelming no LIR.

They just don't match your personality, or the image I have of you (which could be way off, but not the personality bit...)

GDB2222

lostinrates wrote: »

no!

But timing might be an issue.

e.g. I could leave now for about five/six hours :the dogs can cross their legs that long,m in fact, now would be perfect. The thing is...can I get through the City within that time (milage fine, traffic might not be) and then, I'm told the forensics might not be donew until this afternoon. That then puts me in difficulty with daylight hours (chickens), feeding (my animals and clients). My animals outside can wait: clients' shouldn't have to. Much later in the day and I also have to factor in traffic coming out of london.....which could make something that should take five hours take a lot longer: that would be harder on the dogs, and very risky for the poultry.

Its a balancing act, my animals, the poultry and day light hours and clients' animals.....they have different needs. TBH, the animal welfare comes higher than ''stuff'', as does my service to my clients.

A friend from Thame was saying that round there dogs are all kept outside. It came as a bit of a shock for him when he found that in the city people keep their animals inside. I suppose as long as you can keep the dogs and the chickens separate, that's the main thing.

Clients - are these horses and so on? As a city-dweller, I imagine that you just hang up a hay net and they are as happy as larry for a day, but then as I said I'm a city dweller.

lostinrates

GDB2222 wrote: »

A friend from Thame was saying that round there dogs are all kept outside. It came as a bit of a shock for him when he found that in the city people keep their animals inside. I suppose as long as you can keep the dogs and the chickens separate, that's the main thing.

Clients - are these horses and so on? As a city-dweller, I imagine that you just hang up a hay net and they are as happy as larry for a day, but then as I said I'm a city dweller.

I really want out an door kennel and run. It makes like a lot easier...not just when you are out, but when you have builders in etc. Especially with dog-dog being ''over protective''. Main issue with dogs is routine of feeding (and what comes out the other end) and routine of loo breaks.

Main thing with chickens..and the geese is to keep them safe from things like the foxes. In the worst case I could leave them in for the day.

Horses in the field are pretty self sufficient tbh, most of the time. Horses should NEVER be left without forage really (this is one of the main areas that people fall down (e.g. I know race horse trainers who feed no or next to no hay/haylage) and increasingly science shows that its a grave mistake). But mine are in a field with grass. If it were just mine tbh, I'd be happy to leave 'em for a day and overnight and another day at certain times of year: but its not. Other times, its feeding issues. e.g. in the depth of winter they'll be having five-six feeds a day (weirdly, though you shoulkd never leave them without forage you should never give them huge meals of ''short feeds''...non forage feeds). That can be a bit restrictive, but it fits in. At certain times for certain reasons they are not given access to grass (this is rare in my system) in which case they do need hay. constantly.

n.b. though we have to use them atm i HATE haynets. I think they are bad for several reasons.

the main problem with animals is they are sentiant and need ''environmental enrichment''. A healthy, fit dog locked up for a day risks being a destructive and unhappy dog and a nightmare the next day too.

Wheezy_2

Sorry to hear about the burglary, LIR

lostinrates wrote: »

A healthy, fit dog locked up for a day risks being a destructive and unhappy dog and a nightmare the next day too.

Probably depends on the breed, because we have no such problems with westie-dog. (he is on his own usually 2 days a week)
I once put a webcam in his room and recorded it, because we were curious what he was up to all day, just to find out he slept non-stop pretty much all day
On his alone days he also gets a chunky marrow bone which keeps him busy for a looong time and he's doing well on the peep and poop holding front also.
By the way, he's 1 today :bdaycake:

lostinrates

Wheezy wrote: »

Sorry to hear about the burglary, LIR



Probably depends on the breed, because we have no such problems with westie-dog. (he is on his own usually 2 days a week)
I once put a webcam in his room and recorded it, because we were curious what he was up to all day, just to find out he slept non-stop pretty much all day
On his alone days he also gets a chunky marrow bone which keeps him busy for a looong time and he's doing well on the peep and poop holding front also.
By the way, he's 1 today :bdaycake:

Happy birthday westie!

re the other: remember, my dogs' day starts early,. and, after this terrible summer of splints, is just getting back on track! By fit I don't mean an hour a day walk....mine sprint usually two-three times a day ..and aren't fully fit because of dog-dogs summer off but are very stimulated, because they are busy on an off a lot of the time. In fact, they are imporving in behaviour at last after this dreadful summer of lack of exercise.

Mine spend most of the day in clement weather with indoor and outdoor space, the ability to ''guard'' (which is stressful, but I think some stress is ''good'') and that is also stimulating.

Mine would sleep too....they are sight hounds I don't leave food treats because Big dog is food dominant, so that form of enrichment is ruled out for us, and toys don't interest big dog, though they do dog-dog to a degree. Your dog is in his routine....his days are part of his routine... for mine they aren't, so I think they's sleep, then get bored. One dog on his own can't start a game of ''fight'' or ''lets try and play chase in this small room.. On days I do leave them (and I will leave them for a few hours without any guilt, but would prefer outdoor kennels so that I have no guilt nor worry about the carpet!). Mine try but strugle with long breaks....anatomically they don't have much ''storage space'' I suppose, with their herring guts.:o I think they try hard....I hope they do! Also....the capacity for a pretty westy to cause trouble if he were less satisfied than yours is, is much smaller than the capacity of one of my dogs. Bored and finally walked, for example, a westy can take a strong tug....mine could, if poorly disciplined or extremely frustrated, knock a person down. Big dog has the size and strength of a very large man. (And the brain of a small, rather stupid bird). Dog dog is almost 40k and depsite her lithe shape, very strong. Invcidentally, a bog togs tail once shattered my mother's knee cap when it was wagging...its best to run the enthusiam out of them!

So I'd agree its breed, and lifestyle, dependant.

edit: that said I've known a fair few yappy and snappy and understimulated westies. The odd long day should be fine, but lots are never given much exercise, which is a shame, they are terriers not toys!

GDB2222

Is dog dog a labrador?