The CSA keeps badgering me to go back to work, but work doesnt pay, suggestions pleas

anguk

JamesP1976 wrote: »

Read my original post.

I didnt chose to become estranged.

I didnt choose to involve the CSA

It was the CSA's choice to cheat.

Its my choice not work for for just £63.55 a week, that is my legal right.

Read post #23 above.

What is your problem?

I don't have a problem. I didn't say you chose to become estranged or chose to involve the CSA and I have read all your posts. You asked how you could make it financially viable to work and how you could get CSA to leave you alone, I pointed out that if your calculations were correct in post #1 it was financially viable for you to work because you would be at least £65 a week better off plus you'd be able to pay maintenance so the CSA would leave you alone. You could also work more than 2 days a week which would make it even more financially viable. It wouldn't be financially viable if you ended up worse off working but by your own calculations you won't be. However if you decide not to work then as you say that is your choice.

JamesP1976 wrote: »

I never thought of it like that.

Me ex deprives my kids of me, their father
My ex used the CSA to turned the children into cash
The CSA tried to defraud me of thousands with some nonsense decision

Karma has been very fair.

I do not agree with ex partners using their kids as pawns or using them as a means to get cash, I think estranged parents have every right to see their children and I also think the courts should comedown hard on RPs who deprive their children of the right to see their NRP. I also think it's wrong that maintenance paid isn't taken into account for benefits for the NRP yet maintenance received is disregarded for RPs, this is totally unfair. I do think NRPs should pay towards their children from previous relationships but it shouldn't put them in a position where the children from the current relationship would suffer.

I sometimes wonder if the old system of the courts sorting out maintenance was better than the current CSA we've got now. It amazes me just how many problems with CSA get posted on here, NRPs who feel they are being hounded by them and RPs who can't get a penny for their kids, so many mistakes, underpayments & overpayments are made.

I can also understand why you seem so bitter toward the CSA after the hassle you've had in the past with them but you said your MP and ombudsman sorted that out so maybe it's time to move on from that and just deal with this current problem? As Kimitatsu said, find out exactly what they do want and sort that out, if you choose not to work then you'll have to continue stressing to them that you have no income, as others have said they can't force you to work and they can't take any money while you're not working.

Fission

manglesey25 wrote: »

CS1 is 30% for two childen.

That is the maximum it can be. Most cases are for less than that.

JamesP1976

I appreciate your thoughts and input, but I dont think feeling 'bitter' towards the CSA is the right word.

Originally the parliamentary ombudsman came down on the side the CSA decision maker. It was here I discovered the dicision maker and the woman telephoning me was actually the same person, and she denied in her interview making many of those telephone calls and making certain comments I had contended. Fortunately I still had them on my mobile, her distincive voice and clearly saying what she denied at interview.

The reason why a corruption enquiry followed is it raised the question how many other hard-working people out there have been cheated by the same dicision maker.

JamesP1976

Fission wrote: »

That is the maximum it can be. Most cases are for less than that.

With arrears, the maximum is 40%.

speedster

another approach is to inform them at the start of the phone call that you are "recording the call for security reasons"

then proceed to tell them that you are classing their continual calls as "harassment" and you need them to state their full name so that they can be reported.

then quote the HRA act at them, section 6 i believe. now, thing is, thanks to adolf blair, the csa aren't bound by certain aspects of it, but argueably, if their calls are "causing harm, alarm or distress" then technically, you can haul them up over it.

also, if the crayon munching chimp on the phone isn't clued up, the threat of being reported might see them off.

i found they hung up and didn't phone anywhere near as much when i informed them the call was being recorded. one chimp even told me it wasl illegal to record calls! yeah, ok mate, whatever!!

JamesP1976

Its not illegal to record calls unless you are a business then you play the caveat: calls may be recorded or monitored for staff training purposes...

I prefer not to tell the CSA the call is recorded, I let the CSA do the talking, hoping they will say something stupid. That policy paid top dividends when I produced them to the parliamentary ombudsman enquiry.

PreludeForTimeFeelers

i!!!!!!!!!!! wrote: »

op - The csa cannot tell you to return to work - the only reason they will contact you is if they are asked to complete a reassessment so they have to ask you for your current circs. if you just advise them that your circs have not changed that is all they need. If this is happening often it will be that your ex partner keeps asking for the case to be looked at. i can assure you staff do not have the time to keep looking into cases just for the hell of it and this is only done when a reassessment is requested.

I'll admit I'm finding it very hard to believe that the CSA are phoning up an NRP to tell him to get a job!

OP, you should maybe prepare yourself for the day when your ex realises that she'd get more money on CS2, and closes the case. She could then re-open the case and your tax credits would be taken into account.

JamesP1976

I wouldnt quite put it like that. its more of a question along the lines of - how is your search for work going?

The CSA is trying to entrap me to say things like - im not going back to work, or - work doesnt pay.

The CSA is trying to reinstate the deprivation of income decision (which the parliamentary ombudsman struck out under the fraud act) so thay can stick all those arrears back on and start enforcement action.

Someone has suggested its my ex that is using the CSA as a puppet on a string. I have a feeling they are right.

NRPs cannot chose how maintenance is paid, so if she wants to speak to me and discuss migrating to CS2 then she can call me.

BoroPhil

Child tax credits aren't benefits actually, they are exactly what they sound like, tax credits. That's why HMRC administer them and not DWP

PreludeForTimeFeelers

JamesP1976 wrote: »

NRPs cannot chose how maintenance is paid, so if she wants to speak to me and discuss migrating to CS2 then she can call me.

You'd still not get a say in the matter, she can migrate your case simply by closing this one, waiting 13 weeks, then reapplying.