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There's "driving too slow" and there's really driving too slow though.
50 in a 70 is easy -- it's a dual carriageway (at least), so overtake. Problem solved.
<pedant>A dual carriageway doesn't necessarily have two lanes in the same direction. It just means that the opposite carriageway is physically separated from your carriageway e.g. by a curb, wall or grass verge. Likewise single carriageways can have multiple lanes in each direction but the only separator is paint so they are still a 60 limit.</pedant>
Also there's plenty of 60mph roads around my area where I do below 30 because to go any faster would be massively unsafe. Here's a Strider-style video of one such road. The encounter at 1:45 shows why you need to do these speeds.0 -
30 in a 60 though -- forget it. You're just a menace and should ask yourself why you're driving badly.
I was stuck (briefly) yesterday behind a woman doing 20, yes 20, on a clear, dry barely bendy dual carriageway (60mph limit) in '10' plate VW Beetle.
She shouldn't just stop driving, she should be shot.I was born too late, into a world that doesn't care
Oh I wish I was a punk rocker with flowers in my hair0 -
Lum: Two points. (1) you're quite right that not all DCs are 70mph, however all 70mph roads are DCs, and (2) I think the "if it's safe to do so" bit covers those roads where it's not actually safe to do the limit.0
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There's "driving too slow" and there's really driving too slow though.
50 in a 70 is easy -- it's a dual carriageway (at least), so overtake. Problem solved.
To add to Lum's very good point on definitions, on a 2-lane road 50 in a 70 means you will probably have trucks trying to overtake you, restricting the whole road to their speed. Even on a 3-lane road trucks will be trying to overtake you, restricting it to a single lane for other traffic. It's bad enough trucks overtaking each other with a tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiny speed difference, without giving them even more reason to clog the road...40 in a 60 is harder to justify -- if it's safe to do so you should be making more of an effort. However, provided you do not try to impede faster drivers from overtaking (and that means remaining at 40mph when the road opens up a little rather than speeding up just long enough that they can't legally overtake, or even worse gunning it when an attempt is made) then I think you're in the clear.
I can still see no reason why anyone would want to do drive so slowly if conditions allow for doing 60. If you aren't comfortable at the speed limit when the road is clear, give your licence back. If it's to save a few pence in fuel costs, then stop being so damn selfish - and give your licence back...0 -
Lum: Two points. (1) you're quite right that not all DCs are 70mph, however all 70mph roads are DCs, and (2) I think the "if it's safe to do so" bit covers those roads where it's not actually safe to do the limit.
What he meant was that a dual carriageway can have only one lane, then a central reservation. In this case you couldn't possibly overtake someone doing 50.0 -
Hey -- I'm not saying I have to *like* these drivers... I loathe them with a passion myself.
Point taken re trucks overtaking the 50mph plodder. These same people will probably complain bitterly about being "boxed in" as well....0 -
What he meant was that a dual carriageway can have only one lane, then a central reservation. In this case you couldn't possibly overtake someone doing 50.
Yes, but my point was simply that if you are in a 70mph zone, the road will *always* be a DC. There are no single carriageway roads with a 70mph limit in this country to the best of my knowledge. I'm not making any comment about DCs with lower limits -- which your example would be.
One significant flaw in my comment though is the 50mph (or less) numpty who does so in the right hand lane of a DC -- get one of these and you're forced to either file in behind-and-to-the-left (guaranteeing that they'll never move over as you're "in their space") or take matters into your own hands.0 -
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My head's confused.
If your on a 70mph road, a dual carriageway it may be (unless it's a motorway, then you wouldn't really call it a dual carriageway...) but it can still have only one lane per direction, so not possible to overtake, which was his point... ? I know there aren't many of these roads but still...0 -
There's "driving too slow" and there's really driving too slow though.
50 in a 70 is easy -- it's a dual carriageway (at least), so overtake. Problem solved.
40 in a 60 is harder to justify -- if it's safe to do so you should be making more of an effort. However, provided you do not try to impede faster drivers from overtaking (and that means remaining at 40mph when the road opens up a little rather than speeding up just long enough that they can't legally overtake, or even worse gunning it when an attempt is made) then I think you're in the clear.
30 in a 60 though -- forget it. You're just a menace and should ask yourself why you're driving badly.
Its not as clear cut as that i'm afraid, regardless of the speed limit imposed some roads are not suitable for those speed limits. Whilst you may live in the city with outer ring roads etc most of the roads around here are national speed limit. Try going over 30 down some the national speed limit roads here and you won't make it to the end of the road in one piece!!
The point is the speed limit is irrelevant and drivers should be driving to the road conditions and type that falls within the speed limit. Whilst driving at 30mph on a wide average road that is national speedlimit that is very straight isn't acceptable, driving at 20 on a narrow single track national speed limit road is!!!Everyones opinion is the most important.....no wonder nothing is ever agreed on.0 -
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My head's confused.
If your on a 70mph road, a dual carriageway it may be (unless it's a motorway, then you wouldn't really call it a dual carriageway...) but it can still have only one lane per direction, so not possible to overtake, which was his point... ? I know there aren't many of these roads but still...
If it only has one lane per direction then clearly its not a dual carriage way so maximum speed would be 60, if its a dual carriage way (clue is in the name) then if national speed limit applies its 70.Everyones opinion is the most important.....no wonder nothing is ever agreed on.0
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