Driving ticket - incorrect paperwork

bingy_burge

Flyboy152 wrote: »

I really would love to respond to this post, but I haven't got a flipping clue what it says.

Just stick with the OP wasn't there: Then they madge says you signed FNP at the road with police officers collar no. **** and they say you are the person stood in the dock. Then police have video footage of your car jumping the red light. AND OR the police car wasn't single crewed and copper no2 says yeh that person.

Thats when it all falls apart.

bingy_burge

Flyboy152 wrote: »

I really would love to respond to this post, but I haven't got a flipping clue what it says.

ETA:

As far as I am aware, taking the ticket from the officer is not an admission of guilt. It is an acknowledgement that you have received the ticket.

Yes your right on that front, its not admission of guilt but I wasn't there defence falls down when you signed a ticket saying your person and details are correct. You are signing to say that last time I red the FPN. So you are now saying that you signed it but have since noticed you don't agree with the road name. Yes but you agree that Police collar no **** stopped and alleged you comited the offence of failing to comply with a traffic signal. Yea and you said in your reply was 'i mis judged the braking distance accord to aforemention officier. Yea but that was before I got home and read the ticket and that road hasn't even got any red lights on it.

Madge says ok lets watch the footage from the police car. Oh and here is statement from the officer that says you comit the offence in their opinion.

Yea thats not me was on a plane with nigel farrage talking about ukips chance to get into goverment.:eek:

Flyboy152

bingy_burge wrote: »

Just stick with the OP wasn't there: Then they madge says you signed FNP at the road with police officers collar no. **** and they say you are the person stood in the dock. Then police have video footage of your car jumping the red light. AND OR the police car wasn't single crewed and copper no2 says yeh that person.

Thats when it all falls apart.

Nope, that still doesn't make any sense.

Flyboy152

bingy_burge wrote: »

Yes your right on that front, its not admission of guilt but I wasn't there defence falls down when you signed a ticket saying your person and details are correct. You are signing to say that last time I red the FPN. So you are now saying that you signed it but have since noticed you don't agree with the road name. Yes but you agree that Police collar no **** stopped and alleged you comited the offence of failing to comply with a traffic signal. Yea and you said in your reply was 'i mis judged the braking distance accord to aforemention officier. Yea but that was before I got home and read the ticket and that road hasn't even got any red lights on it.

Madge says ok lets watch the footage from the police car. Oh and here is statement from the officer that says you comit the offence in their opinion.

Yea thats not me was on a plane with nigel farrage talking about ukips chance to get into goverment.:eek:

How can a defendant admit to be being somewhere where they weren't? I really don't think you understand the process of law, do you?

kizkiz

Have you recieved a copy of the officers statement yet?
You don't know whether he has put the correct name on that, and that is what he will be reading out in court.
I once issued an fpn for no insurance to an older gentleman. His daughter came to collect him and was "in the legal profession". As a courtesy i went through the form with her and noticed that i have written the time on the front wrong (one hour out) I pointed this out and included this mistake in my statement.
She went home and instantly made a complaint against me including the following accusations:
I have commited a criminal offence of fraud by putting the wrong time
I tried to kill her father by leaving him in the cold with type 2 diabetes (1. i didn't know the cold could affect diabetes. 2. We made him sit in the warm in our car anyway)
I was racist for asking him his self defined ethnicity. She didn't understand the definition of "self" defined lol
I illegally seized the car
I was rude and arrogant and failed to engage with her
I treated her like a criminal and questioned her
the list went on and on, and all because she didn't like the fact that i had caught her father driving with no insurance and seized his car.
Of course, it didn't work and every accusation was found to be malicious.

Oh, and my original mistake made no difference to the outcome

Flyboy152

kizkiz wrote: »

Have you recieved a copy of the officers statement yet?
You don't know whether he has put the correct name on that, and that is what he will be reading out in court.
I once issued an fpn for no insurance to an older gentleman. His daughter came to collect him and was "in the legal profession". As a courtesy i went through the form with her and noticed that i have written the time on the front wrong (one hour out) I pointed this out and included this mistake in my statement.
She went home and instantly made a complaint against me including the following accusations:
I have commited a criminal offence of fraud by putting the wrong time
I tried to kill her father by leaving him in the cold with type 2 diabetes (1. i didn't know the cold could affect diabetes. 2. We made him sit in the warm in our car anyway)
I was racist for asking him his self defined ethnicity. She didn't understand the definition of "self" defined lol
I illegally seized the car
I was rude and arrogant and failed to engage with her
I treated her like a criminal and questioned her
the list went on and on, and all because she didn't like the fact that i had caught her father driving with no insurance and seized his car.
Of course, it didn't work and every accusation was found to be malicious.

Oh, and my original mistake made no difference to the outcome

It doesn't matter what the witness reads out in court (it is also highly unlikely the he will be called as a witness anyway). Only what is written on the indictment is what matters. If the officer reads that the car was on road "A" and the charge reads that it was on road "B," the statement will not match the charge. Trust me, far more serious cases have been dismissed on lesser technicalities than that.

bingy_burge

kizkiz wrote: »

Have you recieved a copy of the officers statement yet?
You don't know whether he has put the correct name on that, and that is what he will be reading out in court.
I once issued an fpn for no insurance to an older gentleman. His daughter came to collect him and was "in the legal profession". As a courtesy i went through the form with her and noticed that i have written the time on the front wrong (one hour out) I pointed this out and included this mistake in my statement.
She went home and instantly made a complaint against me including the following accusations:
I have commited a criminal offence of fraud by putting the wrong time
I tried to kill her father by leaving him in the cold with type 2 diabetes (1. i didn't know the cold could affect diabetes. 2. We made him sit in the warm in our car anyway)
I was racist for asking him his self defined ethnicity. She didn't understand the definition of "self" defined lol
I illegally seized the car
I was rude and arrogant and failed to engage with her
I treated her like a criminal and questioned her
the list went on and on, and all because she didn't like the fact that i had caught her father driving with no insurance and seized his car.
Of course, it didn't work and every accusation was found to be malicious.

Oh, and my original mistake made no difference to the outcome

Thank you!

bingy_burge

Flyboy152 wrote: »

How can a defendant admit to be being somewhere where they weren't? I really don't think you understand the process of law, do you?

Mate I am an ex copper giving what in my experience has happened or could.

If your a qualfied and sworn in soliciter practicing in the UK then please tell the OP your best advice and we will see what happens.:T

d.ross_2

Why does the OP think they should be able to get off scott free just because the police officer didn't know his topography? After all they jumped a red light, and could have killed someone.

Just take the punishment, and learn to pay more attention to the road next time.

bingy_burge

Flyboy152 wrote: »

It doesn't matter what the witness reads out in court (it is also highly unlikely the he will be called as a witness anyway). Only what is written on the indictment is what matters. If the officer reads that the car was on road "A" and the charge reads that it was on road "B," the statement will not match the charge. Trust me, far more serious cases have been dismissed on lesser technicalities than that.

Yes in crown court but in magistrates courts motoring offences backed by police officers statement and drivers reply that does not refute the offence is usaully taken as gosbel by the court.

They are not qualfied judges or Flyboys!