Driving ticket - incorrect paperwork

Flyboy152

jonnyd281 wrote: »

And then they produce the video showing the OP going through the red light, magistrate gets peeved with OP for wasting his/her time and gives them a bigger fine....why are people so against the police enforcing traffic laws?

We don't have any issues with teh police doing their jobs properly. It's when they do they incorrectly is the problem and that is what the beaks get the hump about.

They cannot just decide that a mistake has been made and ignore the process of the law. If the evidence doesn't exist it doesn't exist. It really is that straightforward.

david39

My wife works in the administration side of our local magistrate's court and believes that should the case go to court, it will be thrown out by the magistrates on the grounds of incorrect information provided by the police.
She is not legally trained but administers the paperwork on cases before and after they have been placed before the magistrates.

bingy_burge

If you deserve the ticket whats the issue, I had ts10 on company car that I lent to a staff member when theres was blocked in. They of course denided it when the ticket came so I have a ts10. Put my insurance up on my own car by about £80.

I am not aware of anyone getting out of one because of the road name.

Bare in mind they will said a statement from the officer stating that he witnessed you and your car with the right/wrong road name. It will also contain your response when he or she put that to you. 'If it was sorry I misjudged the braking distance' the madg will probably hit you with more than 60 quid fine you will also have to pay 15-25 on top as a victim surcharge if you opt to go to court. You also may end up 6 points for having your day in court.

My opinion and I have been to court twice when someone I know was up for speeding take the fixed penalty its the best deal your going to get. When proving Techincallities you need to prove a proceedure in law was not carried out correctly or equipment used was not home office approved or not used correctly calibrated. Madges tend to take the word of the police as gosbel . Also if the unmarked was behind you they may well have saved video evidence. You dont want to p*ss and madge off they tend to come down harder on motorists. If you were a mugger of old ladies I would make dinner reservation after the case as you will probably get a few conditional discharges before the madges grow and pair and send you to a crowded prison.

Motorist are fair game for bans and fines for even first offences.

bingy_burge

david39 wrote: »

My wife works in the administration side of our local magistrate's court and believes that should the case go to court, it will be thrown out by the magistrates on the grounds of incorrect information provided by the police.
She is not legally trained but administers the paperwork on cases before and after they have been placed before the magistrates.

c

Tell your wife to stick to admin.:T

I mean really the women next door to my mum got a job with the court service licking stamps and overnight she was a legal expert and would tell people who parked outside her house she worked for the police, in an effort to discourage them. She was hardly a angel having been banned for speeding a few years back and when she flagged a police car down to help her changed a wheel (to posh for that) they gave her VDRS for her two illegal tyres this was before she got the job.


I have known someone who got a ticket for 80 in 30 and the copper wrote the reg down wrong. He went to court thinking the cat was in the bag. The police officers statement was read out and he had admitted speeding in his response to officer. He played what he thought was his trump card the reg was out a digit and the mag said you have already admitted the offence and slapped him with a one month ban and £450 fine.

The police provide a statement from the copper unless you kept tight lipped most madges will hammer you. They want to hear that you have done wrong and see the error of your ways. My others halfs grandad was one. There a funny breed.

Flyboy152

bingy_burge wrote: »

If you deserve the ticket whats the issue, I had ts10 on company car that I lent to a staff member when theres was blocked in. They of course denided it when the ticket came so I have a ts10. Put my insurance up on my own car by about £80.

I am not aware of anyone getting out of one because of the road name.

Bare in mind they will said a statement from the officer stating that he witnessed you and your car with the right/wrong road name. It will also contain your response when he or she put that to you. 'If it was sorry I misjudged the braking distance' the madg will probably hit you with more than 60 quid fine you will also have to pay 15-25 on top as a victim surcharge if you opt to go to court. You also may end up 6 points for having your day in court.

My opinion and I have been to court twice when someone I know was up for speeding take the fixed penalty its the best deal your going to get. When proving Techincallities you need to prove a proceedure in law was not carried out correctly or equipment used was not home office approved or not used correctly calibrated. Madges tend to take the word of the police as gosbel . Also if the unmarked was behind you they may well have saved video evidence. You dont want to p*ss and madge off they tend to come down harder on motorists. If you were a mugger of old ladies I would make dinner reservation after the case as you will probably get a few conditional discharges before the madges grow and pair and send you to a crowded prison.

Motorist are fair game for bans and fines for even first offences.

It doesn't matter, because the indictment will be false.

The officer can say what they like, but it won't matter a bean, because the indictment will read that he incident occurred on Acacia Avenue and not Main Street. If the officer says, "oops, sorry, that should be 'Main Street'." How will the defendant be prosecuted, if the indictment has a different charge on it?

Flyboy152

bingy_burge wrote: »

c

Tell your wife to stick to admin.:T

I mean really the women next door to my mum got a job with the court service licking stamps and overnight she was a legal expert and would tell people who parked outside her house she worked for the police, in an effort to discourage them. She was hardly a angel having been banned for speeding a few years back and when she flagged a police car down to help her changed a wheel (to posh for that) they gave her VDRS for her two illegal tyres this was before she got the job.


I have known someone who got a ticket for 80 in 30 and the copper wrote the reg down wrong. He went to court thinking the cat was in the bag. The police officers statement was read out and he had admitted speeding in his response to officer. He played what he thought was his trump card the reg was out a digit and the mag said you have already admitted the offence and slapped him with a one month ban and £450 fine.

The police provide a statement from the copper unless you kept tight lipped most madges will hammer you. They want to hear that you have done wrong and see the error of your ways. My others halfs grandad was one. There a funny breed.

Presumably because the car he was driving was somewhat irrelevant to the charge, because he admitted to the offence. Very different to the location of a crime, of course. If the defendant was somewhere else, how could he have committed the crime.

bingy_burge

Flyboy152 wrote: »

Presumably because the car he was driving was somewhat irrelevant to the charge, because he admitted to the offence. Very different to the location of a crime, of course. If the defendant was somewhere else, how could he have committed the crime.

Please:

Like I said most likely a traffic officer probably has video footage from his car. They have not been caught on camera a police car has stopped them An officer has questioned the driver expect (op to confirm) that gave the misjudged stopping distance excuse!

If the OP has the FPN ticket 99.9% he. she will have signed it otherwise the officer should of gone straight to reporting the driver for the offence which I get the impression they should done based on the attitude. So trying so trying the 'I wasn't there' they pull the poilce statement and or video and then your signed FPN. Madge is now upset and your making a large donation to court service and victim surcharge.

If the op has less the 9 point on his her licence i would suggest they have very little to gain by going to court and maybe alot to lose.


Flyboy152;44793062

Let me guess your chris huhne's mp legal advisor and you told him to say he was on a plane with Nigel Forage when he got his ticket for speeding from essex police? So you get people out of 3 points and into attempting to pervert the course of justice.

bingy_burge

Flyboy152 wrote: »

It doesn't matter, because the indictment will be false.

The officer can say what they like, but it won't matter a bean, because the indictment will read that he incident occurred on Acacia Avenue and not Main Street. If the officer says, "oops, sorry, that should be 'Main Street'." How will the defendant be prosecuted, if the indictment has a different charge on it?

The OP has Fixed Penalty Notice with their signature on it so they have agreed that there information is correct howere its not an admission of guilt. The police may well have video evidence from their car. Since its a redlight the offence probably occured in a junction where multiple road meet the police driver may have picked the road they stopped on rather the road the driver was on when the commited the offence.

If for one minute the madge doesn't like the evidence your off to crown court and then you will have someone who knows what there doing. Is it worth it for £60 and 3 points when you have admitted guilt at the road side. Also if the car was double crewed the techincally the offence is deemed to have been comitted if the two officers say they saw the same thing.

Flyboy152

bingy_burge wrote: »

The OP has Fixed Penalty Notice with their signature on it so they have agreed that there information is correct howere its not an admission of guilt. The police may well have video evidence from their car. Since its a redlight the offence probably occured in a junction where multiple road meet the police driver may have picked the road they stopped on rather the road the driver was on when the commited the offence.

Wow, you know clairvoyance is wonderful gift if not abused. I don't suppose you do lottery numbers as well, do you?

If for one minute the madge doesn't like the evidence your off to crown court and then you will have someone who knows what there doing. Is it worth it for £60 and 3 points when you have admitted guilt at the road side. Also if the car was double crewed the techincally the offence is deemed to have been comitted if the two officers say they saw the same thing.

What is the process for referring cases from a District Court, to the Crown Court?

Flyboy152

bingy_burge wrote: »

Please:

Like I said most likely a traffic officer probably has video footage from his car. They have not been caught on camera a police car has stopped them An officer has questioned the driver expect (op to confirm) that gave the misjudged stopping distance excuse!

If the OP has the FPN ticket 99.9% he. she will have signed it otherwise the officer should of gone straight to reporting the driver for the offence which I get the impression they should done based on the attitude. So trying so trying the 'I wasn't there' they pull the poilce statement and or video and then your signed FPN. Madge is now upset and your making a large donation to court service and victim surcharge.

If the op has less the 9 point on his her licence i would suggest they have very little to gain by going to court and maybe alot to lose.


Flyboy152;44793062

Let me guess your chris huhne's mp legal advisor and you told him to say he was on a plane with Nigel Forage when he got his ticket for speeding from essex police? So you get people out of 3 points and into attempting to pervert the course of justice.

I really would love to respond to this post, but I haven't got a flipping clue what it says.

ETA:

As far as I am aware, taking the ticket from the officer is not an admission of guilt. It is an acknowledgement that you have received the ticket.