Charged £20 to renew Blue Disabled Parking Badge

vax2002

They are already charging for it in council tax, to charge twice is wrong.

jetta_wales

vax2002 wrote: »

They are already charging for it in council tax, to charge twice is wrong.

An interesting point but I don't think we'll get away with that argument tbh

starchild1972

To claim exemption from paying vehicle tax, the vehicle must be registered in your name or registered in the name of someone you nominate to drive for you (a nominee).
The vehicle must only be used for your purposes, for example shopping or getting prescriptions.
If it is being used by the nominee or someone else for their own personal needs, then the exemption will be lost. If you no longer qualify for vehicle tax exemption, you will need to tax your car in the appropriate tax class and pay the correct rate of vehicle tax.
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/DisabledPeople/MotoringAndTransport/Yourvehicleandlicence/DG_10028003

jetta_wales

starchild1972 wrote: »

To claim exemption from paying vehicle tax, the vehicle must be registered in your name or registered in the name of someone you nominate to drive for you (a nominee).
The vehicle must only be used for your purposes, for example shopping or getting prescriptions.
If it is being used by the nominee or someone else for their own personal needs, then the exemption will be lost. If you no longer qualify for vehicle tax exemption, you will need to tax your car in the appropriate tax class and pay the correct rate of vehicle tax.
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/DisabledPeople/MotoringAndTransport/Yourvehicleandlicence/DG_10028003

Motability vehicles are not registered in the disabled persons name they are registered to Motability, it is not the same as when you just apply for the disc to put on your own car because you can not get a Motability car without the tax exemption.

bifold

starchild1972 wrote: »

To claim exemption from paying vehicle tax, the vehicle must be registered in your name or registered in the name of someone you nominate to drive for you (a nominee).
The vehicle must only be used for your purposes, for example shopping or getting prescriptions.
If it is being used by the nominee or someone else for their own personal needs, then the exemption will be lost. If you no longer qualify for vehicle tax exemption, you will need to tax your car in the appropriate tax class and pay the correct rate of vehicle tax.
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/DisabledPeople/MotoringAndTransport/Yourvehicleandlicence/DG_10028003

Thanks for the link,But since jetta is not herself claiming exemption or indeed applying for tax shes not at fault.
Mobility is supplying the tax disc as part of the mobility scheme,It looks on face value that mobility scheme is meeting her needs.
I would say mobility should be taken task.

Richie-from-the-Boro

Jetta #68 - [ half the trip ] the law is clear if the person who the badge is registered to is not in the vehicle, then the badge should not be being used

Jetta #68 - [ while my OH goes home ] if he's dropped you off, properly using BB privilege and then gone home, its a none issue he's not using the BB when your not in the vehicle

Jetta #68 - [ dropped off for an hour ] the law is clear if the person who the badge is registered to is not in the vehicle, then the badge should not be being used, he should park in a pay for non BB bay

Jetta - [ hospital / you inside / husband in BB bay ] your husband is breaking the law, the law is clear if the person who the badge is registered to is not in the vehicle, then the badge should not be being used

The law is clear if the person who the badge is registered to is not in the vehicle, then the badge should not be being used. You are interpreting the law as it suits your own personal convenience. Clearly you and others have got away with it for years.

I'd like to see the law come down with a ' big clunking fist ' on anyone who breaks the BB laws with at least a three strikes and you are out rule. Additionally anyone breaking the spirit of the law by ' bending the rules ' should have the badge confiscated and returned after appeal, that way the 6 or so weeks of not having a BB might encourage a change in behaviour resulting in a lot more integrity. Any subsequent ' bending of the the rules ' should automatically elevate that individual into the three strike rule.

Sounds harsh doesn't it ?

I don't think it is .. .. the fact of the matter is law the law is clear if the person who the badge is registered to is not in the vehicle, then the badge should not be being used, its just that its never really been enforced up to this point for the reasons I outlined in an earlier # thread. Most big town / inner city town halls are (1) lobbying government for restrictions on BB use in their borough's while simultaneously IDS and his mob are (2) leaking stories on BB misuse and the fiddlers claiming DLA, the current coalition have declared a 30% reduction in DLA which will be 30% less BB's available.

Many people have found innovative ways to use / misuse / circumvent the rules over the last couple of decades while the law was looking the other way and Town Halls were scared of bad publicity. As sure as god made little apples if the BB community don't clear up their act this government will t he Audit Commission recently found that 16,535 blue badges were still in operation, even though their registered holders had died, and that abusing the scheme costs £50m a year to the taxpayer.

. They've already targeted HRDLA because of the car component.

NOTE : the above two paragraphs apply to Motability vehicle use too too.

jetta_wales

bifold wrote: »

Thanks for the link,But since jetta is not herself claiming exemption or indeed applying for tax shes not at fault.
Mobility is supplying the tax disc as part of the mobility scheme,It looks on face value that mobility scheme is meeting her needs.
I would say mobility should be taken task.

Indeed and I have no doubt that all government agencies that are relevant are very well aware of how Motability oporates and what use they allow of their vehicles and yet have made no move to change it.

It used to be the case that the Motability rules were much tighter but they hit the issue that parents for example could never use the scheme for the benefit of their child if they would also need to still run a car for themselves to go to work so they changed their policy to allow for this. That was a few years back now I believe, plenty of time for the DVLA or DWP to stop them from allowing such usage if they wanted to. Yet they have not.

jetta_wales

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

Jetta #68 - [ half the trip ] the law is clear if the person who the badge is registered to is not in the vehicle, then the badge should not be being used

Jetta #68 - [ while my OH goes home ] if he's dropped you off, properly using BB privilege and then gone home, its a none issue he's not using the BB when your not in the vehicle

Jetta #68 - [ dropped off for an hour ] the law is clear if the person who the badge is registered to is not in the vehicle, then the badge should not be being used, he should park in a pay for non BB bay

Jetta - [ hospital / you inside / husband in BB bay ] your husband is breaking the law, the law is clear if the person who the badge is registered to is not in the vehicle, then the badge should not be being used

The law is clear if the person who the badge is registered to is not in the vehicle, then the badge should not be being used. You are interpreting the law as it suits your own personal convenience. Clearly you and others have got away with it for years.

I'd like to see the law come down with a ' big clunking fist ' on anyone who breaks the BB laws with at least a three strikes and you are out rule. Additionally anyone breaking the spirit of the law by ' bending the rules ' should have the badge confiscated and returned after appeal, that way the 6 or so weeks of not having a BB might encourage a change in behaviour resulting in a lot more integrity. Any subsequent ' bending of the the rules ' should automatically elevate that individual into the three strike rule.

Sounds harsh doesn't it ?

I don't think it is .. .. the fact of the matter is law the law is clear if the person who the badge is registered to is not in the vehicle, then the badge should not be being used, its just that its never really been enforced up to this point for the reasons I outlined in an earlier # thread. Most big town / inner city town halls are (1) lobbying government for restrictions on BB use in their borough's while simultaneously IDS and his mob are (2) leaking stories on BB misuse and the fiddlers claiming DLA, the current coalition have declared a 30% reduction in DLA which will be 30% less BB's available.

Many people have found innovative ways to use / misuse / circumvent the rules over the last couple of decades while the law was looking the other way and Town Halls were scared of bad publicity. As sure as god made little apples if the BB community don't clear up their act this government will t he Audit Commission recently found that 16,535 blue badges were still in operation, even though their registered holders had died, and that abusing the scheme costs £50m a year to the taxpayer.

. They've already targeted HRDLA because of the car component.

NOTE : the above two paragraphs apply to Motability vehicle use too too.

Hang on now I made it quite clear that I was just giving random hypothetical examples and I'm not married btw lol.

No we do not ever misuse the badge, dropping off or picking up a badge holder is currently allowed under the rules issued with the my badge. Nobody is ever in the vehicle when it's left in a parking space anyway so the repeated holding of the person needing to be in the car seems a tad redundant.

I am well aware that waiting is not allowed but even in my example I was still only referring to dropping off and picking up.

My point was how would dropping off and collecting still be permitted in the tightened potential new rules as anybody enforcing such rules would need to see the person park and return to the vehicle in order to say they have committed an offence. Anybody seen only returning to the car or approached just parking would be able to say they were picking the person up from somewhere near by or that they had already dropped the person off somewhere.

cyclonebri1

bored_at_home wrote: »

Our local Aldi store has BB 5 bays. When I went to the store last week all five were occupied; three by cars not displaying badges, one by a car whose driver had left his disabled passenger in the car while he nipped into the store; the last one legitimately. I was very tempted to park my car behind the three illegally parked cars while I went to do my weeks shopping. That would have stopped them just 'nipping in for a few secs'. :cool:

i cannot understand some people...
if you had the energy to go looking at the 5 cars in the disabled spaces to check their badges are on display then chances are parking further away than those spaces is manageable for you too and you could leave them for those who realy need them .....[/QUOTE]

Can't see why you should find that illegitimate? seems a perfectly acceptable reason to use the bay to me, the driver too could have been disabled?

Yes it's tough when you can't get "your" normal parking spot but come on that comment isn't fair.

And yes I hold a blue badge, never realised anyone was charged as our area doesn't.
My one comment is why do some supermarkets place their 3 or 4 disabled bay right outside of the front door? This is a source of conflict as all the shoppers battle way between the cars and wide open doors and trolleys don't mix well. I'd sooner struggle from a little further away, even if it means stadling the markings.;)

jetta_wales

cyclonebri1 wrote: »

i cannot understand some people...
if you had the energy to go looking at the 5 cars in the disabled spaces to check their badges are on display then chances are parking further away than those spaces is manageable for you too and you could leave them for those who realy need them .....

Can't see why you should find that illegitimate? seems a perfectly acceptable reason to use the bay to me, the driver too could have been disabled?

Yes it's tough when you can't get "your" normal parking spot but come on that comment isn't fair.

And yes I hold a blue badge, never realised anyone was charged as our area doesn't.
My one comment is why do some supermarkets place their 3 or 4 disabled bay right outside of the front door? This is a source of conflict as all the shoppers battle way between the cars and wide open doors and trolleys don't mix well. I'd sooner struggle from a little further away, even if it means stadling the markings.;)[/QUOTE]

It's because different people need the spaces for different reasons, some need the extra width and some just need the close proximity to the entrance for safety like those with severe autism and thus no sense of danger or like myself with sh1te sight I hate being led round car parks, any car can move at any moment but in the BB bays in front of the stoor I know I'm safe and can be much more relaxed and independent when coming and going.