Newspapers Report "Disabled Car Plan Racket"

jetta_wales

I love it, a thief criticising benefit scroungers like they're actually worse oreven as bad as somebody who's repeatedly used theft to fill their wallet instead.

Chorlie

beller wrote: »

Oh that's very clever isn't it. Grabbing what you can off benefits, people like that are called scroungers you know!

But in my case, I did try but couldn't get anything.
No or little contributions, no fixed abode, no ID (never had a passport, bank account or a driving licence).

You try getting benefits when you can't prove who you are and with no address or rent book or bills in either of our names.
The first time we have actually had any form of official proof that we actually exist is after I came out of prison and got a rent book for this place.

As for going to other places, I never knew they existed, nobody told us, and we had no help or advice whatsoever from anybody.

Whilst I was inside the first time it was only for 4 weeks (served 2), rest (5 months) were suspended for 2 years. She and the little ones managed without me. She begged, borrowed and acquired what she needed.
Second time I went in was for a year (to include the five months previously suspended). Served 6 months approx. The wife and kids were put up in a women's and children's refuge. When I came out, they wouldn't let me stay there so she and the kids came out with me. Then they found us this flat. The rest you know.

When you have nowhere or no one to turn to you have to do what you have to do. Sorry if that offends you, but the system let us down in the first place.

You asked what I would do if I was in your situation, I answered as if I was, but I'm not because I don't have a wife or kids and don't refer to me as a scroungers since I was only trying to answer what you asked. I wouldn't call anyone who claims what they are legally entitled to a scrounger, someone who is fully able to work but decided to just have / father loads of kids and live of benefits then maybe could be called a scrounger and rightly so they should be stopped, but someone who's disabled like you and myself who have both worked when possible aren't scroungers. We just people who need help in the form of benefits at a certain period of time, my time is now after 20yrs of working, yours was then (and maybe a little now).

I do agree with your original point that to many people abuse the Motability Scheme, but like I said pointing the blame at all disabled people isn't the answer, the answer is Motability need to tighten the rules and police those rules hard; but for them to be able to police the rules they need to be inform if someone is breaking those rules, which you state you wouldn't do, you say your attitude is Live and Let Live; so therefore you're not helping your argument.

Has for having a smaller selection of more basic cars (ie No BMW, Merc etc), again I can fully understand you view, however if someone is willing to pay £5000 or even £10,000 extra out of there saving shouldn't they have that choice?

After 3yrs when the car is returned, the £5000/£10,000 isn't refunded and also Motability sell all the returned cars, so they are going to get more for something like a BMW or Merc than you are for a Focus or Astra, therefore Motabiility gets more money, which goes to keep the Scheme running.....so in around about way, someone getting a BMW on Motabiility over a Focus is costing the Tax Payer less......I've never thought of it that way before.....lol

FleurDuLys

Seriously Beller, you aren't making much sense and you're contradicting yourself a lot.

jetta_wales

You're the only person here that's called benefit claimants scroungers.

davsidipp

really this is getting silly you cant stand people abusing motability vehicles but it does not bother you people fiddling tax credits as you have more important things in life .both are wrong but your gripe seems to be motability fraud is it because you cannot get high rate dla.

jetta_wales

beller wrote: »

But the difference is that if I had have been able to claim benefits like the rest take for granted, then I would not have needed to steal would I.

Just you think what it is like with no money coming in at all and no help.

And who's fault was it that you had no address or ID?

jetta_wales

beller wrote: »

Of course I can understand that, but I DO work irrespective and according to the doc, at the risk of my life and health.

What choice do I have? Claim maximum benefits like the rest do? And to hell with the conscience?
That's how I ended up in prison, because I couldn't/didn't claim any benefits

Then we are right back at the start again. Taking out more than you are putting in.
Too many withdrawals and not not enough credits = misery for the country.

So all those here that can not function without care, can not move properly without constant pain or cannot leave the house for any of a number of reasons, they should all just go get a job anyway should they?

Just like that!

pipkin71

beller wrote: »

I agree I take out more than I put in. Do you really think I like that situation? No I hate it. If there was a way that I could change it, I would believe me. Being in receipt of any benefit brings out the worst in people just like on here. Benefit claimant = scrounger!

I have that in my head every day!

Other than turning back to crime to support my wife and I, what else do you suggest I do that is practical and legal and that doesn't carry a stigma round with it as being a benefit claimant does?

Don't you think most people would change their situation?

How can you be happier being a thief than a 'scrounger'?

Do you really think there is more stigma legitimately claiming benefits than being a petty thief?

If you have it in your head every day that 'Benefit claimant = scrounger!' then do you consider yourself to be a scrounger? That's pretty sad, tbh.

jetta_wales

beller wrote: »

Don't make me laugh!!!!!

Just type in scroungers in the search box and have a look at how many posts go on about the subject.

You only need to read the papers and nearly every week the government are protesting that the country is full of benefit scroungers.

Ask anybody on the street what they think about benefit claimants, and I'll guarantee that at least 50% call them scroungers.

So yes, it is a sad fact that the general public at large see benefit claimants, especially the 'disabled and sick' ones as nothing more than scroungers on society.

I was referring to this thread not the whole site.

davsidipp

but it does not bother you people fiddling tax credits which is just as bad but motability fraud is your gripe does not make sense all fraud is wrong why is motability your gripe.