Nil points !

tempested

Dognobs wrote: »

Yes I do work, I work 27 hours aweek and any overtime I can get as this is all I could get. I was on the dole for about 16 months but I have paid in for the last 21 years.

Wow 27 hours!!! And you were up at 4am!!

So for 16 months you were a 'scrounger' on the basis of your other posts, that those that don't work must be!

And a world record then - worked for 21 years And paid into the system.

Listen, there are many on here that would call that 'a walk in the park'!

What about those like me that have worked (without any period of unemployment or sickness) for 44 years, paid tax each year that is equivalent to the National Annual Wage, commuted to London by car every day for over 15 years which took on average 2 hours each way, getting up at 5am, 6 days a week, and then did a 12 hour day? Holidays? maybe, the odd few weeks every 3/4 years.

Then struck down by illness!

So you think that you have a right to critcise the likes of me, and many hundreds of others in the same boat?

You want to get a 'real' job!

tempested

spherelance wrote: »

You know nothing about ESA do you? Being in the support group does not automatically get you the support you need, it is the name of that group.

Being in the Support group gets you nothing - a big fat 0 in the way of help - so I agree with you.

I'm in the Support Group, and the only help I need is for medical science to come up with a miracle cure!

spherelance

tempested wrote: »

I'm in the Support Group, and the only help I need is for medical science to come up with a miracle cure!

According to the font of all knowledge aka Dognobs that miracle cure is working, if you weren't a work-shy scrounger you would know that :rotfl:

Oldernotwiser

cit_k wrote: »

How many times have I pointed out the facts?

How many times do you insist on repeating misleading innacurate information despite being told the facts?

The fit note does not anywhere say it is refering to only the persons existing job when the doctor ticks unfit for work.

Perhaps you ought to read the facts as documented by the NHS
and look a bit further than just the unfit for work signature.

http://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/2584.aspx

Even under the old sick note system, it was normal to ask the patient what they did for a living as someone might well be fit enough for certain types of work although not fit enough for others.

And Dognobs, I know nothing about you but you'll find that the "disabled brigade" on here hate nobody as much as a disabled person who works; they think you're letting the side down!

celinepatricia

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

And Dognobs, I know nothing about you but you'll find that the "disabled brigade" on here hate nobody as much as a disabled person who works; they think you're letting the side down!

That is a terrible thing to say. Lots of disabled people would love to work but who is going to employ them when there are so many able bodied people looking for jobs as well.

Muttleythefrog

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

Perhaps you ought to read the facts as documented by the NHS
and look a bit further than just the unfit for work signature.

http://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/2584.aspx

Even under the old sick note system, it was normal to ask the patient what they did for a living as someone might well be fit enough for certain types of work although not fit enough for others.

And Dognobs, I know nothing about you but you'll find that the "disabled brigade" on here hate nobody as much as a disabled person who works; they think you're letting the side down!

The unfit for work declaration comes with no clarification. The advice on that page gives no reference to usual work... the corresponding links to DWP and Directgov from that page with similar advices also do not. The actual document does not. And of course the form is used for patients who have never worked. The form gives opportunity for the GP (or similar) to go into details regarding returning to work etc and in relation to their current job if they like. But if they declare unfit for work one must assume they mean you are unfit for work unless there is anything qualifying otherwise. (I'm happy to be corrected on this point.. if somewhere it says in official advice or on the form that the GP should regard the unfit for work declaration as to mean unfit for usual work then I'll undoubtedly point out you are right.. it matters not one way or the other... and isn;t really affecting of the advice to op since the fitness note isn't going to offer any significant help at appeal especially in light of other better more appropriate sources available).

Regarding dognobs issue. What he has said is perfectly valid a view but this is not the place... there is no doubt that work can aid recovery with things like depression. But there is absolutely no reason to believe it would aid the op... and it certainly isn't the sort of 'advice' they came to get by putting up this thread. I think the idea of the disabled working is a very positive thing... but then I would... because I have... and my recently retired father was born with a disability that didn't stop him working from 16 in very menial manual jobs for low pay. He certainly paid a price for doing that because the nature of his work and his physical disability caused further physical disability (that he refused to accept would stop him working as advised by his GP for many years). But one has to appreciate that working at some juncture in someone's life may not be a sensible or useful course of action. I understand quite well the very thoughts and feelings the op has with the receipt of the information they have just gotten... you need to feel that someone is on your side.. that someone believes you.. that you're not going mad... precisely the sorts of thinking that will be damaged by comments of one here and leave the person less likely to make a return to good health or work. It's like telling a person with depression to 'just snap out of it'...i.e. what you claim to suffer isn't that serious or you're imagining it so just get on with things. It's patently obvious the poster wants to make political points and the thread is about seeking advice... they did it on another thread to someone whom they no doubt also have extremely limited medical knowledge of. If they want to set up a thread 'all disabled should work as it aids recovery' then I'm sure there are places on the site they can for debate... of course they're going to get people like the one presenting on the first page if I recall who have medical professionals saying that working is not the right thing for them to do now to aid recovery.

tempested

spherelance wrote: »

According to the font of all knowledge aka Dognobs that miracle cure is working, if you weren't a work-shy scrounger you would know that :rotfl:

Do you know, you may be right!

Do you think that after all this time, the cure has been staring me in the face?

Right, I'll pop down to the Jobcentre on Monday and see what is on offer.

I never realised how the simple things in life could mean so much!

Muttleythefrog

tempested wrote: »

Do you know, you may be right!

Do you think that after all this time, the cure has been staring me in the face?

Right, I'll pop down to the Jobcentre on Monday and see what is on offer.

I never realised how the simple things in life could mean so much!

lol.. the DWP have declared that I 'would pose a significant risk to others if found capable of work or work related activity'. Could be a good opening line in application for job as guard dog. 'psychopath found fit for trial after biting robbers on industrial estate and becoming well'

spherelance

Muttleythefrog wrote: »

lol.. the DWP have declared that I 'would pose a significant risk to others if found capable of work or work related activity'. Could be a good opening line in application for job as guard dog. 'psychopath found fit for trial after biting robbers on industrial estate and becoming well'

Surely a career in politics would be the better choice.

Oldernotwiser

Muttleythefrog wrote: »

The unfit for work declaration comes with no clarification. The advice on that page gives no reference to usual work... the corresponding links to DWP and Directgov from that page with similar advices also do not. The actual document does not. .

I agree that may not be the case for someone who's never worked but the sections in my link imply otherwise for someone on sick leave from a job.


"What does ‘may be fit for work’ mean?

Your GP will choose the ‘may be fit for work’ option if they think that returning to work – with support from your employer – will help you.
Your GP can give general advice on the fit note about how your illness or injury may affect your ability to work. Discuss this advice with your employer to see if you can return to work. For example, your GP may suggest possible changes, such as:
returning to work gradually, for example, by starting part-time
working different hours temporarily
performing different duties or tasks
having other support to do your job, for example, if you have back pain, avoiding heavy lifting
Getting advice and support

You should talk openly and honestly with your GP about how your illness will affect you at work so they can give you the right advice to help your recovery.
You should also be open with your employer about what you can and can’t do. If you’re not, your employer may not be able to provide the right support.
If your employer has an occupational health service, an occupational health advisor may be able to give you help and advice about going back to work.
Returning to work

Your GP’s first concern will be to help you get well as soon as possible.
Being signed off sick isn’t always best for you, particularly if it means you lose pay or your health gets worse. It can be very frustrating if you know you can still do part of your job, even if there are some parts that you can’t do.
If it’s possible for you to return to work, you and your employer should agree on:
how you will return
what support you will receive
how long the support will last"