Blitz on Disabled Parking Cheats by Supermarkets

jetta_wales

Brassedoff wrote: »

Richie, you are so right. As the ESA and DLA are to be re-checked, so should blue badges in my opinion. Strict rulings applied. Only those with a physical disability on the higher rate of PIP/DLA should get it. Anyone else should have no right. They should also allow local authorities to adopt that part of the car park and Police it.

I saw a great programme on C4 the other day where the council and Police did a crackdown in one borough . In one day they ceased 28 badges from able bodied using a relatives badge, or worst still, younger relatives of older people who did not drive, applied for the badges to save money. They should also lose their benefit.

Fraud is fraud. Full stop.

And for the person who uses the spaces because the authorities "have not got around to assessing you". You are NOT ENTITLED yet, so don't use it. What if you are turned down? Will you continue to use the spaces because YOU think you qualify?

Which HRM claimants do you think should have their blue badges taken away then?

Apart from those who shouldn't be getting HRM anyway like those who are just obese I don't see why anybody entitled to HRM shouldn't also be entitled to the blue badge.

Brassedoff

jetta_wales wrote: »

Which HRM claimants do you think should have their blue badges taken away then?

Apart from those who shouldn't be getting HRM anyway like those who are just obese I don't see why anybody entitled to HRM shouldn't also be entitled to the blue badge.

I can think of one or two groups who somehow fall into the HRM group but have perfectly normal and able limbs and body parts. The HRM should be re-looked at. Years ago a knee replacement could have meant walking with a stick. I know of a couple people who are in the catagory, run, jog walk perfectly well, but received HRM. Medical treatments improve. Some people with mental problems when assessed might qualify at the time of application, but either a change in medication or breakthroughs could mean they then go on to live a perfectly normal life. Do they give the DLA back or the badge. I bet no because they will say they take medication.

jetta_wales

Brassedoff wrote: »

I can think of one or two groups who somehow fall into the HRM group but have perfectly normal and able limbs and body parts. The HRM should be re-looked at. Years ago a knee replacement could have meant walking with a stick. I know of a couple people who are in the catagory, run, jog walk perfectly well, but received HRM. Medical treatments improve. Some people with mental problems when assessed might qualify at the time of application, but either a change in medication or breakthroughs could mean they then go on to live a perfectly normal life. Do they give the DLA back or the badge. I bet no because they will say they take medication.

Not actually going to say which groups then?

I can run or jog, right under the front wheels of a car :-)

C_Mababejive

FWIW i do not think there should be preferential parking for anyone.

happy_lass

linni wrote: »

There was an article in the Daily Express yesterday that says they are "cracking down on shoppers who pinch disabled parking spaces after a deal between ministers and supermarkets" and Aldi, M&S, Morrisons, Sainsbury's, Tesco, Waitrose and Lidl have all agreed to it.

I'm not sure if i'm allowed to put the whole article on here so have just put the first bit just in case anyone is interested in reading it. The article is on the bottom of page 22.

about bloody time somebody did something. The amount of times i have seen people pull into these spaces just to run into the nearest shop to get a newspaper ! i have a disabled daughter and i use the disabled parking slots regularly when she is in the car with me. She has the blue badge. The amount of dirty looks i get though is amazing !! You see, she is mentally disabled but able to walk with my guidence.

Brassedoff

C_Mababejive wrote: »

FWIW i do not think there should be preferential parking for anyone.

That's a big fail there then. For some it will mean they starve, for others they may as well top themselves as they will never be able to enjoy things "normal" people do.

C_Mababejive

Brassedoff wrote: »

That's a big fail there then. For some it will mean they starve, for others they may as well top themselves as they will never be able to enjoy things "normal" people do.

I dont believe so.

How did people manage long before supermarkets/wide spread car ownership/special places for them to park?

Again,if someone is so disabled then how do they manage to get from the special parking space,into the supermarket ,all around the aisles,through the checkout and back again?

If you can do all that and drive a car,then you can take your chances with the rest of the populace with regard to parking.

Same goes for parent/child parking.

When i was a kid,i;d regularly walk to the shops with a carrier bag,cross a main road,do shopping,walk back carrying shopping. I didnt need to be driven there,given a special parking bay and chaperoned around.

No no,if you create special situations for certain groups,you invite problems.


I will say though that i think its right that there should be access arrangements where it is economically viable/possible to provide them eg an entrance with no steps for genuine wheelchair bound people. also,allowances for guide dogs etc.

I also think the blue badge scheme should be much much more tightly controlled/policed/prosecuted. Its funny how many blue badge holders have bit fat cars and 4x4s. When i was a kid, a motobility car meant one of these and i dont recall rows of special parking bays then.

Tally-Ho_2

C_Mababejive wrote: »

I also think the blue badge scheme should be much much more tightly controlled/policed/prosecuted. Its funny how many blue badge holders have bit fat cars and 4x4s. When i was a kid, a motobility car meant one of these and i dont recall rows of special parking bays then.

What is wrong with a disabled person owning a quote 'big fat cars' or 4x4's if they can afford it?. After all being disabled doesn't necessarily mean being on the bread line.

As an example, my brother lost both legs whilst serving in the army in Iraq. He now holds down another very well paid job and drives an automatic 4x4 with hand controls. He says he often gets very black looks when he parks up in a disabled bay from people who seem of the same mind as yourself in that they think that disabled people should not own a 'posh car' or 4x4 etc.

As for disabled people having to use the blue 'invalid carriages' the world has moved on if you hadn't noticed. Perhaps you think that disabled people should be institutionalised (as happened in years gone by) as well?

C_Mababejive

Tally-Ho wrote: »

What is wrong with a disabled person owning a quote 'big fat cars' or 4x4's if they can afford it?. After all being disabled doesn't necessarily mean being on the bread line.

As an example, my brother lost both legs whilst serving in the army in Iraq. He now holds down another very well paid job and drives an automatic 4x4 with hand controls. He says he often gets very black looks when he parks up in a disabled bay from people who seem of the same mind as yourself in that they think that disabled people should not own a 'posh car' or 4x4 etc.

As for disabled people having to use the blue 'invalid carriages' the world has moved on if you hadn't noticed. Perhaps you think that disabled people should be institutionalised (as happened in years gone by) as well?

My reference to big fat cars and 4x4s was in relation to;
a)those which are paid for by the state via DLA,
b) Those in which the blue badge has been borrowed by a family member and the person to whom it was issued is not present.


I appreciate your point about what you called being institutionalised. I think you mean that people might feel self conscious driving trikes these days. We all have our place in society and often,we just have to accept it and make the most of it because there is no help or escape. For instance,the ordinary low paid worker who has to flog his tripe for minimum wage and not have all the advantages that others have in life.

That is not an argument for state funded fancy cars.

If the state feels it should provide cars via motobility ( and i think it shouldnt) then maybe it should just provide trike equivalents such as toyota Aygo or similar?

gregg1

UnderPressure wrote: »

How do you know the registration number belonged to a car that had parked in a disabled parking space without a badge?

So far as this article from the daily express (yawnnnnnnnnnnn) the fatal flaws in the plan have already been pointed out by other posters so I wont hold my breath for Mr T to start dishing out parking fines surely the would be more concerned with shoppers going elsewhere should they be given a ticket?

Whilst on the subject surely the "sharing" of badges to none disabled people should be of more importance? Or indeed the thousands of people who have the badge and the brand new car all funded by the government but still play football on a Sunday, or have no problem "running" round Tesco doing the weekly shop?

Another yawwwwwwwwwwn of an article from the express, just a thought but who will get the money from the parking fines? Tesco? The private scum that put the ticket on the windscreen? Anyone who knows anything would just screw it up and throw it in the bin anyway so whats the point to begin with??

Maybe if the supermarkets were a little more generous with there car parking spaces and didn't try to squeeze us all in like battary chickens this might help to solve the problem? A few more car parking spcaes for parents with toddlers would not go amiss either, at my local tesco they have 2 huge lines of disabled car parking spaces there must be at leat 60 of them compared to 11 parent toddler spaces, now come on surely there are more people with young children going to any tesco than disabled people?

Anyhow dont worry to many "dodgy" laws would need passing before it actually happened.

Dont get me wrong I understand why these disabled spaces are important and why they are needed so if you do park in them without a badge then DONT its basic manners! If you were on a bus and someone got on with crutches and there were no seats would you not get up and offer them your seat? The why take a parking space that someone disabled would need? Manners!

There is absolutely no comparison to be made between a disabled space and a space for people with kids! When my kids were young there were no such things as parent/kid space, we managed perfectly well.

I see you are also taking a pop at disabled people having cars paid for by the Government. Believe me, it is not easy to obtain the higher rate mobility element of DLA, and whilst I realise there is quite a bit of abuse of the system please do not tar everyone with the same brush.

Incidentally, many people receiving DLA have paid their taxes for years and are fully entitled to receive help when they need it.