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The possibility that the scrap may or may not be worth £700 is not relevant to the OP's claim.A contractor was employed to do some work.The OP instructed that contractor not to remove the spoils, but he did.The contractor removed the spoils without permission and therefore it is theft.Neither you nor I know what was said between the two parties.We can only go on what the OP says.Incidentally the OP has not posted any further comment so we can assume that he has decided not to take this further or has settled the matter satisfactorily but not posted the result here.It is not unknown for workmen, left to their own devices, to help themselves to that which is not theirs.
CheersThe difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits. - Einstein0 -
heating-eng wrote: »most if not all the customers i have worked expect me to get rid of the rubbish and scrap for them.
the cost of this is included when i quote. the price would be more if there was no scrap so on my jobs the scrap is mine.so in my mind it is not theft£700 scrap from one job is very unlikey in my opinion,there fore i would not trust the rest of what has been said, sounds like a customer trying to get every last penny from the installer to me.
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One would therefore assume that at that point that the installer would have the option to say that the job had been priced inclusive of the scrap value.
I find it interesting that the £700 number seems to have come about well into the job otherwise there would be b....r all to look at and guess a number. So do we possibly see a situation where the OP (on hearing this music to his ears) has suddenly changed the goalposts on the contractor they having previously discussed that the scrap value is costed in? In those circumstances it could be argued that the OP has deprived the contractor of an element of his remuneration. Would that be theft? Yes I know we don't know but I'm only speculating, of course.
CheersThe difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits. - Einstein0 -
anyone else think this story is being made up? The responses from namid seem really odd i.e. bit more info each time that is fundemental in nature....As is a tale, so is life: not how long it is, but how good it is, is what matters.0
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and you do not know that he didn't.
I find it interesting that the £700 number seems to have come about well into the job otherwise there would be b....r all to look at and guess a number. So do we possibly see a situation where the OP (on hearing this music to his ears) has suddenly changed the goalposts on the contractor they having previously discussed that the scrap value is costed in? In those circumstances it could be argued that the OP has deprived the contractor of an element of his remuneration. Would that be theft? Yes I know we don't know but I'm only speculating, of course.
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Yes, exactly, you are speculating, as are the rest of us. Your views are as valid as anyone elses. I don't happen to concur with them.
Bon chance.
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Excellent thank you - we got there in the end. So its theft in your opinion rather than theft as a statement of absolute fact which is what has been coming over from your posts up 'til now and is a totally different matter. I'm OK with that - you are as entitled to your opinion as the next man.
Bon chance.
Cheers
If the OP instructed the contractor not to take the scrap, and he subsequently did take it; then it constitutes a theft.
It is theft based on what the OP has told us, not on what my opinion is.
If the OP has not disclosed some part of the conversation here then it may look different. I am discussing what is disclosed rather than speculating on what may not have been disclosed.0 -
"If" is such a big word isn't it?
CheersThe difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits. - Einstein0
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