Ticket for 'failing to comply with school traffic patrol'

d123

sabz3008 wrote: »

Ultimately, the point is this - If a road is clear, and pedestrians are 20-30 yards away then what right do Lollypop men have to just stand in the middle of the road?

They have that right as conferred by the law. As was posted above, it's section 28 Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984.

sabz3008 wrote: »

There is a huge comparison between traffic lights and lollypop people to whoever compared the two earlier on.

No, there isn't. Both are governed by similar Acts of Parliament. If anything the scholar crossing is more serious as the chances of killing a child by disregarding the stop signal is exponentially higher than at a red light.

sabz3008 wrote: »

Have you people considered that this may be a case of an unfair ticket? I don't know if it's a fixed penalty notice or a court appearance, all I was told is what I mentioned in the post...I never drive at school areas to even know what lollypop patrols are like or what they do...But what I'm wondering about is the fact that, fair enough if the police observe and report something (Such as someone using a mobile phone and driving and get an automatic ticket/fine/points for it) but , not to patronise lollypop patrols but they're presumably fairly under-qualified individuals that aren't as trained as the Police or whatever?

Why is it unfair? [STRIKE]You[/STRIKE] your friend disregarded a stop signal as defined in law, the person showing the stop signal is legally allowed to do so and would actually have had training in controlling traffic and so would be viewed in the same way as a police officer if the case was to come before a court.

Outpost

sabz3008 wrote: »

not to patronise lollypop patrols but they're presumably fairly under-qualified individuals that aren't as trained as the Police or whatever?

And presumably your friend is a rocket scientist?

Albeit one who seems unable to grasp the fairly basic concept understood by infant children across the country that 'the cars stop when the man holds up his big lollipop'.

To be honest your friend is pathetic for his actions and you are beginning to sound pretty pathetic in your misguided attempts to defend him.

Hadeon

OP - 'ultimately the point is' your friend has the option to argue his case/point in a court room if he feels so 'hard-done by'.
Totally his call.

antrobus

sabz3008 wrote: »

Ultimately, the point is this - If a road is clear, and pedestrians are 20-30 yards away then what right do Lollypop men have to just stand in the middle of the road? ....

Quite possibly none whatsoever, but SFW. The bit I'm missing is what exactly did your friend do when he came across a Lollypop man standing in the middle of the road? The implication is (on the basis that said friend is now in receipt of a ticket) that he carried on driving but managed to avoid running over the Lollypop man.

Full marks for avoiding a charge of vehicular manslaughter, but when you come across someone standing in the middle of the road, it's generally a good idea to bring your car to a stop, irrespective of whether or not the individual impeding your progress is actually carrying a big yellow sign.

real1314

sabz3008 wrote: »

Ultimately, the point is this - If a road is clear, and pedestrians are 20-30 yards away then what right do Lollypop men have to just stand in the middle of the road? There is a huge comparison - Did you actually mean a huge difference here? - between traffic lights and lollypop people to whoever compared the two earlier on.

Have you people considered that this may be a case of an unfair ticket? You say the driver carried on, presumably past the Lollipopman stoood in the road - then No, it's not an unfair ticket anymore than going through a red light when you can see for 200 yds that there is no other traffic in the vicinity of the junction.
I don't know if it's a fixed penalty notice or a court appearance, all I was told is what I mentioned in the post...I never drive at school areas to even know what lollypop patrols are like or what they do...
2 Points;-
1. We know it was you now.
2. If you don't know the rules of the road then you should not be driving.
But what I'm wondering about is the fact that, fair enough if the police observe and report something (Such as someone using a mobile phone and driving and get an automatic ticket/fine/points for it) but , not to patronise lollypop patrols but they're presumably fairly under-qualified individuals that aren't as trained as the Police or whatever?
It seems they are better trained than YOU; you do not know anything of the highway code

You need to:-

1. Accept the fine / whatever comes your way and accept that you need to improve your knowledge of the highway code.

Or

2. Argue your case with the magistrates. That way you'll get a period to reflect on your errors whilst sitting on buses.
:cool:

sabz3008

I have just got more information from him...
So, he received a letter which is an "Intention for prosecution" for the offence:
"Drive without due care and attention" --- "Failing to comply with school crossing patrol"

I initially thought that the lollipop man was standing in the middle of the road with the stop sign held up, but apparently, this is not the case and that as far as he recalls, the patrol officer crossed a few people, then put down his lollipop under his arms, but was still standing in the road and that the nearest people were around 20-30 yards away approaching the road, but driver just drove as there was no one in the roads apart from the crossing patrol who was not crossing anyone nor did he have the lollipop 'STOP' sign up.

The driver has two kids that he takes to school and is well recognised for community work in the local area - so basically has good moral character, and for those that keep sending cocky remarks, - No, I was NOT the driver, as a matter of fact I rarely even drive anywhere except the supermarket, and if you don't like the post then don't comment and start getting all personal and insultng. - (MSE RULES!)

Thank you for your reply antrobus and the other posters who decided to not judge, but provide a decent response instead of cocky messages , I'm sure you guys are the most PERFECT god-sent drivers ever.

Outpost

sabz3008 wrote: »

Thank you for your reply antrobus and the other posters who decided to not judge, but provide a decent response instead of cocky messages , I'm sure you guys are the most PERFECT god-sent drivers ever.

Not a perfect driver by any means. Simply intelligent enough not to drive around a lollipop man standing in the middle of the road.

sabz3008

@Outpost - Wow, go you - Want a blue peter badge for that?

Outpost

sabz3008 wrote: »

@Outpost - Wow, go you - Want a blue peter badge for that?

Do you they give them out for not running over lollipop men? If so then yes please.

sabz3008

I'm sure you can e-mail and ask them, they might do