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On spot fines for bad driving
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Strider590 wrote: »If the Police were chasing up on this stuff and doing their duty unhindered by politic's, then Bradford wouldn't have the highest uninsured rates in the UK at near 50% of drivers (according the the MIB).
Surely if they were chasing them down and crushing their cars, then that figure would have fallen???
Didn't they try doing that a few years ago? It ended up costing too much money to crush all the cars, issue fines, etc.
IMO, bit of a pointless news story, I haven't seen a police car in ages.0 -
Didn't they try doing that a few years ago? It ended up costing too much money to crush all the cars, issue fines, etc.
IMO, bit of a pointless news story, I haven't seen a police car in ages.
I think in the case of Bradford, the politics involved in punishing half the local population could be very damaging to both the West Yorkshire Police and the local authorities.“I may not agree with you, but I will defend to the death your right to make an a** of yourself.”
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crittertog wrote: »Hmm ... wouldn't their examples be covered under driving without due care and attention (i.e. behaviour likely to result in an accident - all of them would result in an increased likelihood of a crash)?
Except where the exit is on the right.
One of the roads on my way home is a 40mph "dual carriageway", with a sliproad exit on the right. Travelling at the speed limit (40mph) in the right-hand lane to avoid being "undertaken" would probably result in you rear-ending someone stationary on the exit slip-road (which is traffic-light controlled, and often completely full, necessitating braking on the main road). Ditto a 50mph "dual carriageway" terminating in a 3-lane roundabout ...
I take it you may live in Leeds and are on about the right hand slip road straight after the left hand entry lane.....
For those who do not know it - here it is:
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&q=leeds&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Leeds,+United+Kingdom&ll=53.802856,-1.540403&spn=0.009238,0.01929&z=16&layer=c&cbll=53.802708,-1.540362&panoid=pKxIGiBROTPOVjZ0yhBOhA&cbp=12,156.33,,0,17.62If the world is a stage... I want better lighting!0 -
I do wish people would link only to reputable news sources.
There are none, you just have to pick the best from a bad selection “I may not agree with you, but I will defend to the death your right to make an a** of yourself.”
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Posters on this thread seem to be under the impression that new specific offences of "undertaking", "tailgating" etc. are being created; they're not. The offence is still the same as it is now: driving without due care and attention or without reasonable consideration of other road users, contrary to section 3 of the RTA. All that is changing is the mode of prosecution from statutory summary conviction (magistrates' courts) to a fixed penalty notice in the first instance, bringing the offence into line with speeding. There would also be scope for remote prosecution for CD10s using CCTV and section 172 to force the registered keeper to identify the muppet driving their car who carved up half the commuters heading into work that morning.
It will still be up to the courts to interpret what misdemeanours are covered by "due care" and all fixed penalty notices will offer the option to have the case heard by a court as they do now.
That may well be a problem, as it has been in the past whenever any organisation uses targets.Hopefully, this 'new' idea won't involve targets for the police to meet to keep revenues up. Luckily we in the UK have honest police who wouldn't dream of stitching up a motorist who made a slight error............. as we know it's their word against ours
I fully support the motivation for an honest officer to issue a simple FPN to a driver without the current disincentive of reporting for a lengthy and involved court case.
That said, I wonder how many tickets will be given out "PPC style" to drivers on the strength of an opinion that "you were just a little too close to that car as you changed lanes then". Opinions like that can be too subjective and can be deformed by vantage points.
Whats so disreputable about the non-profit making BBC? I'd rather read stuff there than in "The Sun" or News of the World.I do wish people would link only to reputable news sources.0 -
Hopefully, this 'new' idea won't involve targets for the police to meet to keep revenues up. Luckily we in the UK have honest police who wouldn't dream of stitching up a motorist who made a slight error............. as we know it's their word against ours
The police have managed for year with the fixed penalty system so why should new offences change it in any way?0 -
Whilst not wishing to discuss the relative merits of of the proposed measures I cynically suggest that troops loyal to David Cameron are merely attempting to replenish depleted coffers.
Others have cited the difficulties involved in implimentation. Even if it were possible, one currently unrepealed statute could render the whole exercise pointless, namely the Bill of Rights 1689.
"That all grants and promises of fines and forfeitures of particular persons before conviction are illegal and void;"0 -
Unless marked different EVERY lane except the left hand lane is an 'overtaking' laneLastly, the third lane is an 'overtaking lane', is is NOT a 'fast lane',This is a system account and does not represent a real person. To contact the Forum Team email forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com0 -
Strider590 wrote: »If the Police were chasing up on this stuff and doing their duty unhindered by politic's, then Bradford wouldn't have the highest uninsured rates in the UK at near 50% of drivers (according the the MIB).
Surely if they were chasing them down and crushing their cars, then that figure would have fallen???
We have ANPR now, the Police go after uninsured drivers etc etc
But they can't tell if the driver has given correct details without actually stopping them.
Even if caught by ANPR for tax/insurance/etc offences, the Police go to the registered address and find nobody there. Then what do they do?? You've got a totally anonymous person driving about knowing full well they can do what they like, if they get stopped they just say it's not their car and they borrowed it from the alias name. Slap on the wrist, car gets crushed but they go buy another banger (for less than the insurance/tax would cost) and start again.
They'd put a flag on the car and the individuals there prints will be on the database when they go down to the station and most cops are not fools and know when there being lead on one.
At least the car will be off the road and crushed now.
They buy a new bangor and that one will be taken off them and crushed.0
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