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On spot fines for bad driving
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Undertaking should be permitted to be honest. Other countries manage perfectly well with it.
If you are being undertaken, it is you who is in the wrong.
If people got rid of this "slow lane, middle lane, fast lane" mindset and started think of lanes as "driving lane, overtaking lane, overtaking the overtaking lane", then we would solve a lot of congestion problems in this country.Hi, we’ve had to remove your signature. If you’re not sure why please read the forum rules or email the forum team if you’re still unsure - MSE ForumTeam0 -
Apparently we’ve all got much better at driving, there were 125,000 convictions for bad driving in 1985 which had fallen dramatically to 29,000 by 2006.
:rotfl: Or worse at getting convictions ?...are they going to include the copper that parks on yellow lines or in a bus stop while he goes to the chippy.
Or police on mobile phones whilst driving...“That old law about 'an eye for an eye' leaves everybody blind. The time is always right to do the right thing.”0 -
Mankysteve wrote: »Well then when the cop pull them to hand them a ticket they'll loose the car.
If it going to done remotely when the cop sees the plates he'll run plate check find it's not insured and give chase.
If the Police were chasing up on this stuff and doing their duty unhindered by politic's, then Bradford wouldn't have the highest uninsured rates in the UK at near 50% of drivers (according the the MIB).
Surely if they were chasing them down and crushing their cars, then that figure would have fallen???
We have ANPR now, the Police go after uninsured drivers etc etc
But they can't tell if the driver has given correct details without actually stopping them.
Even if caught by ANPR for tax/insurance/etc offences, the Police go to the registered address and find nobody there. Then what do they do?? You've got a totally anonymous person driving about knowing full well they can do what they like, if they get stopped they just say it's not their car and they borrowed it from the alias name. Slap on the wrist, car gets crushed but they go buy another banger (for less than the insurance/tax would cost) and start again.“I may not agree with you, but I will defend to the death your right to make an a** of yourself.”
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Strider590 wrote: »... but they go buy another banger (for less than the insurance/tax would cost) and start again.
And I've always been of the opinion that the fine should be double the cost of insurance or there is simply no incentive to buy it in the first place.
Always makes me laugh when you hear of people getting points when they're already banned anyways. Surely if they are driving whilst banned they have no regard to the law and the points system.“That old law about 'an eye for an eye' leaves everybody blind. The time is always right to do the right thing.”0 -
Hmm ... wouldn't their examples be covered under driving without due care and attention (i.e. behaviour likely to result in an accident - all of them would result in an increased likelihood of a crash)?
Except where the exit is on the right.whatmichaelsays wrote: »If you are being undertaken, it is you who is in the wrong.
One of the roads on my way home is a 40mph "dual carriageway", with a sliproad exit on the right. Travelling at the speed limit (40mph) in the right-hand lane to avoid being "undertaken" would probably result in you rear-ending someone stationary on the exit slip-road (which is traffic-light controlled, and often completely full, necessitating braking on the main road). Ditto a 50mph "dual carriageway" terminating in a 3-lane roundabout ... 0 -
whatmichaelsays wrote: »Undertaking should be permitted to be honest. Other countries manage perfectly well with it.
If you are being undertaken, it is you who is in the wrong.
If people got rid of this "slow lane, middle lane, fast lane" mindset and started think of lanes as "driving lane, overtaking lane, overtaking the overtaking lane", then we would solve a lot of congestion problems in this country.
Nicely put.
If there is room to be undertaken, then the car being undertaken should be in that space.
There is a main road by me, with dual carriageway, no stopping, clearway regulations in force. Half the people seem to believe we drive on the right in this country. It's not the undertakers that need the ticket.
Lastly, the third lane is an 'overtaking lane', is is NOT a 'fast lane', and you should move left as soon as you've overtaken. Not always practical I know, but the principle is there.
One time I was going to Scotland in the early hours of the morning (about 1 - 2 am, and a car came down a slipway near Manchester, and went straight into the middle lane. He and I were the only cars in sight. What chance do normal motorists have in the face of planks like this?0 -
crittertog wrote: »Hmm ... wouldn't their examples be covered under driving without due care and attention (i.e. behaviour likely to result in an accident - all of them would result in an increased likelihood of a crash)?
Except where the exit is on the right. One of the roads on my way home is a 40mph "dual carriageway", with a sliproad exit on the right. Travelling at the speed limit (40mph) in the right-hand lane to avoid being "undertaken" would probably result in you rear-ending someone stationary on the exit slip-road (which is traffic-light controlled, and often completely full, necessitating braking on the main road). Ditto a 50mph "dual carriageway" terminating in a 3-lane roundabout ...
North Street slip on the Leeds Inner Ring Rd by any chance?
There's an element of common sense that comes into it. When you have a situation when people are tootling along in the overtaking lane because they are making a right turn two miles down the road, there's a problem.Hi, we’ve had to remove your signature. If you’re not sure why please read the forum rules or email the forum team if you’re still unsure - MSE ForumTeam0 -
Half the people seem to believe we drive on the right in this country.
Except when they see a "queue".“I may not agree with you, but I will defend to the death your right to make an a** of yourself.”
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Hopefully, this 'new' idea won't involve targets for the police to meet to keep revenues up. Luckily we in the UK have honest police who wouldn't dream of stitching up a motorist who made a slight error............. as we know it's their word against ours0
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whatmichaelsays wrote: »Undertaking should be permitted to be honest. Other countries manage perfectly well with it.
If you are being undertaken, it is you who is in the wrong.
If people got rid of this "slow lane, middle lane, fast lane" mindset and started think of lanes as "driving lane, overtaking lane, overtaking the overtaking lane", then we would solve a lot of congestion problems in this country.
How about the road death problems?
I do wish people would move over however, the silliest is late at night on the M25, deserted road, four lanes and you get cars doing 100mph in lane 1 and then someone pootling along at 75mph in lane 3. (I personally have been known to undertake when there's two lanes gap.)0
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