Is it illegal to pass on your still valid bus day ticket to someone else

judywoody

geordieracer wrote: »

That is only on their weekly and monthly tickets though. There is a very good reason for this as they dont anticipate many overall journeys by using these tickets as people who buy them will more then likely be commuters and/or school kids so its really going to be only 2 journeys per day and maybe 2 or 3 at weekends and given that the services are already running then they may as well try and fill them. Also im not sure about the areas concerned but they may actually get a subsidy for running these services and how many people they get on board so makes it very cost effective for them to offer this- as they already have the money.

As for daily rover tickets and such like - these are the bread and butter of every transport business so they have to make the concession that you cannot transfer the ticket between people as this would then deny them the price of a one way trip from the person who you have given it too.

That's fine with me - I would even buy a weekly ticket if merseyrail could introduce a ticket that can be swapped between family members. But their weekly and monthly tickets are personalized. Problem is: I use mainly Arriva but not always. So their tickets leave me inflexible. Fact is that transport companies discourage people to use public transport by being expensive, inflexible and unreliable. If you have to change buses you still have to pay twice even if you just go one way. That is just bad customer service and in my eyes greedy. I know that it could be cheaper as it works in other countries as well. Even London has a cheaper public transport system (taking into account the quality of the network and the size of the city). Imagine how much could be achieved by making public transport better and cheaper? Sorry for going off-topic here - but problems like that actually encourage me to "cheat" every now and then. That is maybe twice a month when I pass on my ticket to my husband. Otherwise I always pay for traveling by PT - although I know that there are a lot of people out there who don't bother to pay at all.

judywoody

robt wrote: »

You still need to read it again. I said:


The 'few people' who don't use them the way I want them to use them are not using them at all, they are abusing them. Simple as that.



Totally irrelevant.

Arriva and Stagecoach can charge what they want for tickets on their services. Merseytravel do NOT run any services. They subsidise the tickets that you are abusing.

May ask what your problem is? Are you on a mission or what?

Merseytravel COULD offer them cheaper or make tickets transferable if they wanted to! What I was trying to say was that some companies just want to make as much money as possible. They seem to save money everywhere - even their website is cr*p..

So it IS relevant to compare merseytravels prices with those from stagecoach and arriva.

robt_2

judywoody wrote: »

May ask what your problem is? Are you on a mission or what?

No, but I could ask you the same surely.

Merseytravel COULD offer them cheaper or make tickets transferable if they wanted to! What I was trying to say was that some companies just want to make as much money as possible. They seem to save money everywhere - even their website is cr*p..

Has it occurred to you that they try to save money for a reason (massive Government imposed budget cuts), and that further subsidising their tickets would result in savings needing to be made elsewhere?

They are not a private company there to make a profit for shareholders (unlike bus companies). I'm not sure you know what Merseytravel is, or what it does to be honest.

Could you please explain how they could make their tickets cheaper without making cuts (or price rises) elsewhere? You seem to think they are made of unlimited money. Maybe you think that they should stop subsidising loss making services which are deemed as a social necessity. Or maybe you would like to stop free transport for the disabled who are unable to use trains and busses?

So it IS relevant to compare merseytravels prices with those from stagecoach and arriva.

No, it isn't, as I and others have explained.

Evilm

judywoody wrote: »

You know what these smiley-thingy's are for, don't you? (despite the fact that you missed to quote the smiley..)


Apologies, my sarcasm filter is failing today.

judywoody

@robt:
I am aware that in the long run it all boils down to the fact that the gov doesn't see the need to subsidize these companies even more.

But: It is in their hands to make the most out of it. And by making tickets more expensive they might shoot themselves in the foot in the long run. We have the same system where I come from - local TS is subsidized by the gov (and probably not as much as they want to) but they encourage people to use it by making it affordable and reliable. AND they offer free tickets to disabled people. If people (especially families without children) can't afford to use buses and trains anymore, or it's not cheaper than using a car than more and more people won't bother or they cheat.
If people don't use it they don't make enough money and have to charge more.

ppc_scambuster

I fail to see why any bus services should be subsidised, if they cannot make a profit or at least break even on a route then it sholud be canned and not subsidised by taxpayers, the majority of which will never even use the service.

judywoody

ppc_scambuster wrote: »

I fail to see why any bus services should be subsidised, if they cannot make a profit or at least break even on a route then it sholud be canned and not subsidised by taxpayers, the majority of which will never even use the service.

True, I can see your point. However, if they made it more worthwhile to use PT (reliable and inexpensive) we all could benefit from a cleaner environment and more people would get rid of their cars. Even though not everybody uses it at the moment. If those companies weren't subsidized they would maybe put a little bit more effort into the service they provide.

rev_henry

ppc_scambuster wrote: »

I fail to see why any bus services should be subsidised, if they cannot make a profit or at least break even on a route then it sholud be canned and not subsidised by taxpayers, the majority of which will never even use the service.

You don't live in the country do you? So Mrs Jones is never allowed to leave the hamlet she has lived in all her life using the free bus pass she's paid her taxes for the previous 45 years or so for?

I think many subsidies are down to bus company (usually stagecoach) greed. Back home its about £10 return to go to the nearest bigger town (about 10 miles away) and I've a feeling even that's subsidised. So basically stagecoach is profiteering out of their monopoly.

robt_2

ppc_scambuster wrote: »

I fail to see why any bus services should be subsidised, if they cannot make a profit or at least break even on a route then it sholud be canned and not subsidised by taxpayers, the majority of which will never even use the service.

Lets get rid of over half the train services in the country too shall we?

geordieracer

ppc_scambuster wrote: »

I fail to see why any bus services should be subsidised, if they cannot make a profit or at least break even on a route then it sholud be canned and not subsidised by taxpayers, the majority of which will never even use the service.

So all those half empty trains and buses that run throughout the day and give people a chance to get out and about would be axed with the companies only focusing on rush hour peak time fares for the daily commute.

you thought that out well didnt you