Is it illegal to pass on your still valid bus day ticket to someone else

Mark_Hewitt

Tilt wrote: »

Because when you by the tcket, you agree not to in the T & C's of parking which no doubt state; 'ticket not transferable'.

Indeed they do, but that doesn't make it 'right'.

asbokid

judywoody wrote: »

if we want to see my in-laws we have to go over the water to Wallasey and that costs us nearly 10£ by train.

They usually take the fare dodgers to Manor Road police station. Not the nicest of nicks, in my experience. Food is appalling and room service is non-existent. They had a serious flea infestation not so long ago. Cell blocks are in the basement, and there is a miners-style lift to get you there. I would rate it 2* at best.

Flea infestation tackled at Wallasey’s Manor Road police station
Jul 30 2008 by Sue McCann, Wallasey News

A POLICE station was fumigated and uniforms had to be destroyed following an infestation of fleas.

The problem at Wallasey’s Manor Road police station became so bad that a firm of exterminators were called in to carry out the work last week.

One police source said: “It’s a bit grim. The place was infested with fleas after some officers returned from one incident.

“It happens but people were being been bitten so something had to be done. A couple of officers also have had their uniforms sent off to be destroyed.”

Paul Saven, an expert in dealing with flea infestations, said: “The problem facing police officers is when they go into a property where there are fleas but no host so the pest has become dormant.

“They go inside, breathe out and the creatures are aware of the carbon dioxide and are attracted straight to them – it kickstarts them into action.

“Typically, you would see them congregate first around the feet.

“It must be quite serious if they did feel clothing had to be destroyed, normally a 40 degree wash would account for the eggs and the parasite.”

A police spokeswoman said: “The nature of police work means that officers and police property are occasionally exposed to infestation.”

judywoody

asbokid wrote: »

What brought you to Liverpool then?

Little joker, ey?

But to answer your question: Circumstances..I'm not here because I love it so much...


Ok, ok..I can see your point. It's in the T&C and when I buy the ticket I agree to the T&C. I still don't think it's fair and I'm sure the people on here who are telling me off either work for a bus company, have a car or are over 60 and have a free bus pass...:D

What I don't understand though is: I have never heard of this rule and to be honest, if I were them I would just print it on the back of every day ticket. Of course you can't print the whole T&C's on there but if this is so important they should print it on the ticket so everyone knows.

I usually don't pass on my ticket but as someone posted here before: I won't have a sleepless night over sharing the ticket once in a blue moon with my husband - I always pay for a ticket and I think they get enough money of me. It might not be morally right of me to breach the T&C but the question is: Is it morally right of them to implement this rule and at the same time increase prices every year to a point were it doesn't make sense to get rid of your car?

Stigy

JimmyTheWig wrote: »

An interesting line of argument - are assets not freely transferable between a husband and wife?

Yes....But one doesn't actually own ones bus/train ticket...:rotfl:

judywoody

asbokid wrote: »

They usually take the fare dodgers to Manor Road police station. Not the nicest of nicks, in my experience. Food is appalling and room service is non-existent. They had a serious flea infestation not so long ago. Cell blocks are in the basement, and there is a miners-style lift to get you there. I would rate it 2* at best.

Oh dear, I should really behave myself

JimmyTheWig

judywoody wrote: »

Is it morally right of them to ... increase prices every year to a point were it doesn't make sense to get rid of your car?

Absolutely not.

judywoody wrote: »

What I don't understand though is: I have never heard of this rule and to be honest, if I were them I would just print it on the back of every day ticket. Of course you can't print the whole T&C's on there but if this is so important they should print it on the ticket so everyone knows.

I think, I'm afraid, that this is one of those cases where generally people just know the rules.
It's like if a restaurant advertises "Eat as much as you like". You can't go in and pay for your seat, eat loads and then swap with your husband on the basis that you've paid for your seat already so he doesn't have to pay. You can't argue that you were entitled to eat 6 platefulls so what's the difference between you doing than and you eating 3 and your husband eating 3. Nowhere in the restaurant does it state clearly that you can't do this. You just can't.


But would I do it? Yes. But that's mainly in relation to the fact that public transport is over-priced anyway so I feel I still keep the moral highground overall.

judywoody

JimmyTheWig wrote: »

Absolutely not.


I think, I'm afraid, that this is one of those cases where generally people just know the rules.
It's like if a restaurant advertises "Eat as much as you like". You can't go in and pay for your seat, eat loads and then swap with your husband on the basis that you've paid for your seat already so he doesn't have to pay. You can't argue that you were entitled to eat 6 platefulls so what's the difference between you doing than and you eating 3 and your husband eating 3. Nowhere in the restaurant does it state clearly that you can't do this. You just can't.


But would I do it? Yes. But that's mainly in relation to the fact that public transport is over-priced anyway so I feel I still keep the moral highground overall.

Yes, your illustration is good - but I don't think giving my ticket to my husband has the same impact as raiding the buffet in a restaurant. Unfortunately I was one of those people who didn't know the rule - as mentioned earlier it was different in the country where I come from. Never mind - there is a nice saying in my language not sure if you have a similar saying in English: "Where there is no judge there is no hangman"...

DaveF327

I think something like this would be more of a civil matter than a criminal offence.

Railways byelaws are different legal territory and I seem to remember my last rail ticket having NOT TRANSFERABLE stamped on it somewhere, so I wouldn't even entertain the idea.

Bus tickets? They're cheap / printed on crappy thermal paper, and they're designed to encourage frequent hopping on and off of buses and the driver of each is unlikely to remember who bought a ticket and who didn't, so I really don't think you should worry about doing this. Just don't make a show of it, or bus companies may start taking further measures.

rev_henry

This is going to sound really vague, but I am fairly I read words to the effect of 'you can even share [whatever bus pass they were talking about] with family and friends.' I *think* it was in the booklet Stagecoach gave out recently when GMPTE and the bus companies, in their infinite wisdom, decided to raise fares. Whether its the same in Manchester's lesser neighbour I don't know.

judywoody

rev_henry wrote: »

This is going to sound really vague, but I am fairly I read words to the effect of 'you can even share [whatever bus pass they were talking about] with family and friends.' I *think* it was in the booklet Stagecoach gave out recently when GMPTE and the bus companies, in their infinite wisdom, decided to raise fares. Whether its the same in Manchester's lesser neighbour I don't know.

Actually someone told me yesterday that Arriva advertises the same thing - Your whole family can use the same ticket..haha..oh well..time for merseytravel to adapt...I mainly use Arriva anyway but sometimes we have to use the train and sometimes I can't be bothered waiting for Arriva and take the stagecoach bus. But that is only possible with a saveaway ticket..Oh how I hat bureaucracy!!