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Jimmy_31

Wee_Willy_Harris wrote: »

Well, the cooker would be the tenants own, so they are free to treat it as they wish.

Yes SOME OF THE TENANTS will buy their own cooker but we are talking about the ones who get theirs given to them arent we.

sjaypink

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

I didn't say disproportionate. I wouldn't need to look at any of that at all to defend the statement I made.

Either way, there is still nothing at all to suggest 'most' social housing is given to those from outside the UK, which is the quote I was replying to

sjaypink

Jimmy_31 wrote: »

Yes SOME OF THE TENANTS will buy their own cooker but we are talking about the ones who get theirs given to them arent we.

Where on earth do you work (and live?) Jimmy- I can't understand why you are saying only some tenants would buy their own cooker?

I have never seen a LA or HA property rented anything other than totally unfurnished?

Might it be temporary or supported accommodation you are referring to?

Graham_Devon

Wee_Willy_Harris wrote: »

Should a kitchen need to be replaced due to neglect/abuse, the tenant would be "recharged" for it.

Oh purlease. Don't talk cack.

My dad used to do the work replacing these items. And the tenants were NOT charged, as they could not pay.

There IS a charge, you are correct. BUT, it hardly ever actually gets paid. It's just politics.

sjaypink wrote: »

I have never seen a LA or HA property rented anything other than totally unfurnished?

There are quite a few that come furnished. Usually the houses that have been available for a year or so, which were "intended" to be sold on the open market, at prices no one will pay, so always revert back to HA stock. Again, more politics. These often come furnished with white goods....normally washing machines and cookers.

However, many may be getting confused with the grant people can often get to buy such goods when they get a home to buy these things.

ILW

Wee_Willy_Harris wrote: »

Most social housing allocation systems are now largely based on Choice Based Lettings (CBL). As such, there are no longer "points". CBL also tends to be transparent so, if you don't get a particular property, you can usually look up online the circumstances of the person who did so that you can make a direct comparison with your own. Sadly, people do lie to gain advantage. But that is the same with any system. However, there will be a reporting mechanism in place for anyone to complain if they feel they have been treated unfairly. Ultimately, this could end up in court. No other system of property allocation is so heavily regulated as the allocation of social housing.

HA properties are allocated on a basis of need (in theory) problem is that the definitions of need can be rather skewed. For example, a medical condition can increase eligibilty, which seems OK until you realise that being an alcoholic or hard drug user counts as a medical condition.

sjaypink

Graham_Devon wrote: »

There are quite a few that come furnished. Usually the houses that have been available for a year or so, which were "intended" to be sold on the open market, at prices no one will pay, so always revert back to HA stock. Again, more politics. These often come furnished with white goods....normally washing machines and cookers.

However, many may be getting confused with the grant people can often get to buy such goods when they get a home to buy these things.

Well, even so, I assume that the rent for such properties would be more than the same houses which were rented unfurnished. So the tenants are not being given free appliances, they are renting them also.

Jimmy_31

sjaypink wrote: »

Where on earth do you work (and live?) Jimmy- I can't understand why you are saying only some tenants would buy their own cooker?

I have never seen a LA or HA property rented anything other than totally unfurnished?

Might it be temporary or supported accommodation you are referring to?

I live in the north west and have worked on many estates throughout the north west.

The immigrants usually get the fully furnished house and the british tenants get a house but can get free white goods and such in special circumstances ie they spent the money for a cooker on beer and weed so now they cant cook the kids tea so its classed as a crisis and they end up with a free cooker, this causes problems on the esatates because the british tenants think they are entitled to more stuff than an immigrant, why that is ill never know because if you are a council tenant who doesnt work and has never worked and will never work then in my opinion you should get absolutely nothing.

I assume a few people think i am lying and this doesnt really bother me as such, what does bother me is the fact that i am now aware that some people think everything is ok with the system and the things i mention dont happen, maybe this is because some people dont live on or near council estates so have no experience of what goes on but i genuinely thought it was common knowledge about what goes on in your average council estate, maybe its just the case in the north west but i doubt it.

Wee_Willy_Harris

Jimmy_31 wrote: »

Yes SOME OF THE TENANTS will buy their own cooker but we are talking about the ones who get theirs given to them arent we.

Do you mean those in supported housing? The vast majority of general needs tenancies do NOT come with white goods of any kind. To be honest, you're lucky if they leave the old carpets in situ.

sjaypink

Jimmy_31 wrote: »

the british tenants get a house but can get free white goods and such in special circumstances ie they spent the money for a cooker on beer and weed so now they cant cook the kids tea so its classed as a crisis and they end up with a free cooker,

Yes, but as I mentioned in a previous post, this has nothing to do with the LA or HA, money for such things in a 'crisis' as described, will come in the form of a budgeting or crisis loan, or community care grant- all from dwp, or from a re-settling or children charity or social services perhaps.

Wee_Willy_Harris

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Oh purlease. Don't talk cack.

My dad used to do the work replacing these items. And the tenants were NOT charged, as they could not pay.

There IS a charge, you are correct. BUT, it hardly ever actually gets paid. It's just politics.

An electrician/gas installer with access/control over rent accounts? What a strange position your dad had.

The cost is usually added to the rent account. If it remains unpaid, the tenant will be unable to transfer, exchange, upsize, or re-apply if they cease to be a tenant. It would also effect any RTB application. Should they become eligible for a disturbance grant (usually if they are forced to move due to regeneration) the outstanding balance would be recovered from that. They also risk the demotion of their tenancy. Ultimately, civil recovery action is also an option and IS used.