swap from DLA to PIP

Invalidation

redz wrote: »

Does personal experience of working there class as evidence or is that just "gobbing off"?

No thats gobbing off and again is simply your opinion
If you dont have the facts then its best to stay quiet rather than make a prat out of yourself as you seem to have done.

I take it you're one of the ones who won't be entitled soon. shame, time to earn an honest living eh

There you go again making totally unsubstantiated, unfounded statements, in an attempot to demean me and salvage your cred.
Total Fail.

anguk

Louise03 wrote: »

There are a few people I know, who have claimed DLA for years and are more than capable of working. It has been a life time career choice for them. I sincerely hope that those that can do some type of work will be made to do so - I think that the only ones panicking are the ones that know that their easyride is coming to an end and not before time

DLA is not an unemployment benefit, you can work full-time and still get DLA.

My niece's husband has cerebral palsy and claims DLA, he gets high rate mobility because he has severe problems walking. He also works full time and has never been unemployed since he left school.

His job is his career choice, the DLA just helps him with his disability (it paid for taxis to get him to work and back and now he can drive it helps pay for his car expenses).

It really annoys me when people wrongly assume that DLA claimants are workshy scroungers, when the truth is many of them work and pay their taxes just like everybody else. :mad:

redz

Invalidation wrote: »

No thats gobbing off and again is simply your opinion
If you dont have the facts then its best to stay quiet rather than make a prat out of yourself as you seem to have done.



There you go again making totally unsubstantiated, unfounded statements, in an attempot to demean me and salvage your cred.
Total Fail.

No. I was explaining that my opinion is based on substantial experience.

I'm making a prat out of myself? I'm not the one using terms like prat, gobbing off and total fail. Do you expect to be taken seriously when you talk like an ignorant 14 year old chav?

I will reiterate the point I was making as you didn't seem to be able to grasp it the first time. I did not claim all DLA claimants are work-shy scroungers I stated that that work-shy scroungers are attracted to that benefit. There is a difference.

The reasons DLA was the benefit of choice for fraudsters are:

1) It was designed to be primarily self-assessed, no medical required in every case. They do obtain medical evidence in the majority of cases, such as factual report from your GP/Hospital Specialist etc. but there are ways to get around that.
2) DLA isn't a sustenance benefit, ie. it isn't designed to live off it's to pay for help needed. However, it is a passport to benefits that are. For example, if a couple both receive middle rate care then they can claim Carers Allowance for looking after each other. Which means the're eligible for Income Support. Which also gives them the carers premium and as the are both on middle rate care the get the disability premium each. IS also gives them full housing and council tax benefit too.

There are a lot of exploitable flaws in the system which have been going on for far too long. It's a shame that those genuinely in need have to suffer now because lazy, greedy people have exploited those flaws.

Anubis_2

I'm making a prat out of myself? I'm not the one using terms like prat, gobbing off and total fail. Do you expect to be taken seriously when you talk like an ignorant 14 year old chav?

No, but you are the one using terms like village idiot, council house benefit scroungers, gangs, calling disabled people idiots and chavs and being extremely judgemental of disabled people.

It is also not true that medicals did not happen from the start, I was in my thirties at DLA start, and medicals did happen. Additionally, you can not forge doctor and hospital reports, granted, in the early days checks were not as rigorous, but today with technology playing a part and tighter control on drs and specialists, it would be extremely hard for a claimant to fool the system.

I think you are another jealous case, instead of doing the best you can with your life you are focussed on labelling disabled people as council house benefit fraudsters. Tunnel vision. Your "substantial experience" seems to be based on nothing more than fabrication. It sounds to me like you are spouting off handed down gossip. If you had worked for the dwp you would know that medical assessments were there from the start.

redz

I think your village would be glad to see the back of you.

Anubis_2

redz wrote: »

I think your village would be glad to see the back of you.

Wow, what a really mature response :rotfl:

The thing is you cannot substantiate your claims, you provide no evidence, and your head is so far up your rear that you have a danger of disappearing

redz

Well as you are accusing me of stating exactly the opposite to what I posted and then judging and insulting me. Then obviously somewhere a bridge is missing it's troll.

Anubis_2

Ohoho look, the Goverment admit that the majority of disability claimants are GENUINE - and disability fraud is very low level, which totally wipes out everything you stated Redz.

http://www.actionforme.org.uk/get-informed/news/policy-and-campaigns/low-levels-of-disability-benefit-fraud

Interesting that a lot of money lost is down to dwp official error! For example, in the case of incapacity benefit, 20m was lost due to fraud, but a staggering 90m was lost in official error ....... Perhaps short sighted judgemental people should begin to question these official errors instead of targetting the vulnerable.

redz

Anubis wrote: »

Ohoho look, the Goverment admit that the majority of disability claimants are GENUINE - and disability fraud is very low level, which totally wipes out everything you stated Redz.

http://www.actionforme.org.uk/get-informed/news/policy-and-campaigns/low-levels-of-disability-benefit-fraud

Did you bother to read the report? Those are estimates! DLA fraud levels haven't been measured for 6 years.

Muttleythefrog

redz wrote: »

Did you bother to read the report? Those are estimates! DLA fraud levels haven't been measured for 6 years.

All fraud levels are estimates since those committing fraud invariably don't tell the state they forgot to be included in the figures.

Can I be blunt. You seem to have some issue regarding benefit fraud and some sections of society. The reality is those such people are likely to care little for the views of people like you and are likely taking advantage of their ill gotten gains rather than justifying their existences on these threads. Your efforts may be better employed in another domain. Judging from some of your language, the Conservative Party perhaps. The people in fear of changes to disability benefits aren't likely to be the well set up and organised criminals who can jump through the hoops to get what they want but vulnerable people who fear for their future.