Want house left empty by old lady who is in care.

suki1001

chrisfenton7 wrote: »

Apologies if this has upset anyone. We know the lady well as the house is next door but one to my mother in law. We know she has no immediate family.

I wouldn't be too bothered not everybody would have been offended. When I was helping my Grandmother move into a home, I had to deal with the sad fact she couldn't cope on her own, and moving her. Having to sell the house was a right pain. I'd of only been too pleased for an offer through the door. The nightmare of waiting a year to sell the property coupled with long trips up north to sort it out, all while the property market was plummeting. Not only that, leaving the property empty (which is never a good thing and having to organise the gardening etc. Why is that awful if another family can enjoy it, instead of leaving it. However, if anybody had posted a note, we wouldn't have got it until the next visit up. Some families when caring for their families have enough to bother without constant hassle from their ea. Seeing it empty was a painful reminder of how my Grandmother was no longer independent.

Londonsu

How do you know she wont be coming back? unless told by a family member the neighbours would not be in a position to know the whole story as her care plan, her medical details and financial details are all deemed to be confidential information and I wouldnt expect the profesionals looking after her and her interests to be discussing anything with anybody but immediate family so it could all be hearsay.

Even if she does need to stay in care it doesnt follow that she needs to sell her house to pay for it, she might have enough savings to get by on, she might have handed over her house years ago to a relative so the house cant be sold to pay for care.

And finally I take it you want to buy the house because you love it
and its near your in laws NOT because you hope to get it cheap,
if you do want to get it cheap you may not be in luck, if she does have to sell it, her relatives will be expected by the local authority to get as much as possible - much like the banks do with repossessions.

I am not sure of the legal ins and outs but a friend put in an offer on a house that needed to be sold to pay for care, two days before exchange the LA got involved and told the family to stop the sale and remarket at a higher price, they just put a charge on the property until it sold 6 months later for nearly 50k more than my friends offer.

suki1001

Londonsu wrote: »

How do you know she wont be coming back? unless told by a family member the neighbours would not be in a position to know the whole story as her care plan, her medical details and financial details are all deemed to be confidential information and I wouldnt expect the profesionals looking after her and her interests to be discussing anything with anybody but immediate family so it could all be hearsay.

Even if she does need to stay in care it doesnt follow that she needs to sell her house to pay for it, she might have enough savings to get by on, she might have handed over her house years ago to a relative so the house cant be sold to pay for care.

And finally I take it you want to buy the house because you love it
and its near your in laws NOT because you hope to get it cheap,
if you do want to get it cheap you may not be in luck, if she does have to sell it, her relatives will be expected by the local authority to get as much as possible - much like the banks do with repossessions.

I am not sure of the legal ins and outs but a friend put in an offer on a house that needed to be sold to pay for care, two days before exchange the LA got involved and told the family to stop the sale and remarket at a higher price, they just put a charge on the property until it sold 6 months later for nearly 50k more than my friends offer.

Cudda, wudda, shudda, In other words, don't bother. Obviously anyone who's shown interest in a vacant property is just money grabbing. And anyway even if you do manage it, you money grabbing so and so (obviously to feed your property empire), you won't beable to, because all vacant properties haven't been priced at the market value afterall, and actually have been priced 50k under. It's simple. Funny never happened to my Grandmother's vacant possession, just kept going down in value, something to do with market conditions and the fact that nobody wanted a vacant property that was a bit tired.

Often vacant properties don't sell because some family member decides they want more, even if several family members are happy to go with that price. Usually the ones who have had nothing to do with that family member. Most people aren't in a position to use their savings, although that may be the case, or with the slim chance the lady may move back into her home, there is nothing wrong with saying, "hey, I'm interested in this house if it's going on the market"

You can use all the "what if's" and "buts" in the world. There's nothing wrong with putting a note through the door stating your intentions. Then again, perhaps we should hang the OP eh, she seems pretty evil and disturbed.

If only someone had put a note through the door with my Grandmother's property, she'd have probably got a better price for it (even if it is going on her care homefees), instead of it being on the market for a year. While it may seem a bit harsh to go shoving notes through doors (the shame), it may well be a Godsend for the recipient, with no note, they'll never know.

jh2009

Quite disgraceful in my view and totally insensitive, even to consider such an approach.

We moved my granmother into a home last year, and had two such approaches within days of doing so. One from a relative, and one from a neighbour.

We saw them as vultures, looking to get my grans home on the cheap with no concern for my gran, and decided that due to their approach, they would be the last option in terms of a sale.

If the family sell it, they should sell it through official channels at a time of their choosing. That is when you should act - when the for sale sign goes up, then a note or direct contact would be legitimate.

diable

chrisfenton7 wrote: »

Apologies if this has upset anyone. We know the lady well as the house is next door but one to my mother in law. We know she has no immediate family.

You could go to the care home and get her to "sign" a document and get it witnessed............................

suki1001

jh2009 wrote: »

Quite disgraceful in my view and totally insensitive, even to consider such an approach.

We moved my granmother into a home last year, and had two such approaches within days of doing so. One from a relative, and one from a neighbour.

We saw them as vultures, looking to get my grans home on the cheap with no concern for my gran, and decided that due to their approach, they would be the last option in terms of a sale.

If the family sell it, they should sell it through official channels at a time of their choosing. That is when you should act - when the for sale sign goes up, then a note or direct contact would be legitimate.

So you prefer the leave the house to fall to bits approach? Leave it empty, no-one should live in it approach. I would have seen no-one who did that a vulture. I had enough going on with my Grandmother, without having to deal with a house, I was more bothered about my Grandmother, if someone had have made an offer before the house went on the market, that would've really helped, even if we'd have had to have waited, especially if it was going to be used as a family home. So interesting it's seen as vulture mentality. In fact lets hike the price and costs up even more by using an EA, it's only someone else's money (ie - Grandma's). There's plenty of vultures from the other side of the house sale. Family are usually the worst, they usually don't want to accept the first offer because they won't get as much inheritance as they'd hoped especially as now most of it will go on care home fees, now that's what I find disgraceful.

suki1001

diable wrote: »

You could go to the care home and get her to "sign" a document and get it witnessed............................

Yes, people like this are pure evil, they should never be able to buy a house. Family are usually worse, shove Grandma in a nursing home (guess that includes me), because they don't want to look after her, then they moan about everyone else being a vulture. The fact that this lady appears to have no family and is losing her independence is the real crime, not someone wanting to put an offer in on a house. I bet that lady would be more bothered that the house went to a nice family than the timing of the whole thing.

Running_Horse

A note experessing interest in buying an empty property is acceptable.

But they are under no obligation to deal with you. I would take their lack of reply as a firm refusal. Any further action on your part looks insensitive.

DVardysShadow

suki1001 wrote: »

The fact that this lady appears to have no family and is losing her independence is the real crime,

Eh?? Oh, crime. Bring back hanging and flogging.

meg72

As you know the old lady well could you not arrange to visit her. Visiters are very important to old folk in care and I note she has no immediate family to do so. This would be a kindness. and if it puts you in a better position regarding the house all the better.