Incapacity Benefit migration to ESA

Chrysalis

I think pinklady you are just very unlucky.

My initial thoughts were they were going to prioritise on age. Basically do the youngest first and the oldest last, and the very oldest not been migrated at all, basically those close to pension age. There would be various reasons for this including the fact that the youngest get age additions and as such will have the biggest reductions migrating to ESA as ESA has no age additions, and they are probably seen as the most vulnerable age group in that young people are more likely to be found fit for work on the new assessment.

richard9991

Chrysalis wrote: »

I think pinklady you are just very unlucky.

My initial thoughts were they were going to prioritise on age. Basically do the youngest first and the oldest last, and the very oldest not been migrated at all, basically those close to pension age. There would be various reasons for this including the fact that the youngest get age additions and as such will have the biggest reductions migrating to ESA as ESA has no age additions, and they are probably seen as the most vulnerable age group in that young people are more likely to be found fit for work on the new assessment.

when some one get transfered to esa they get transional protection so will get the same rate as ib the age addision is being gradually reduced each year

anguk

Bootsalebargains wrote: »

My husband is worried sick that he will be told he has to work.

He'd been diabetic for 30 years (he's 40 now). He stopped work in september 2003 when he went on dialysis, he had his leg ampuated in april 2004, he has neuropathy in his hands and fingers so they are constantly numb, heart disease in one of the vessels and an enlarged heart, high blood pressure, diabetic retinopathy (registered partially sighted).
He went on IB in 2003 sent sick notes in for 3 months and then got told he didn't need to send anymore, never had a medical or renewal so don't know when we are likely to be looked at for ESA
Our other worry is he had a kidney and pancreas transplant on xmas eve, whilst this means he won't get any worse (hopefully) it won't cure what's already wrong with him except he doesn't go for dialysis 3 days a week anymore.

He keeps having nightmares that he's in work and fallen and can't get up and wakes up yelling.

Your post could have been about my husband!! :eek: Mine is 48, diabetic, renal failure having dialysis 3 times a week, right leg amputation. He also has neuropathy and sadly has completely lost the use of his left hand after having his 2nd fistula op. He's also got diabetic retinopathy (lots of laser treatment for bleeding blood vessels) and many other health problems but thankfully his heart is okay, surprisingly. He's on the transplant list but currently suspended after having to have one of his fingers on his useless hand amputated and it looks like the thumb is getting the chop soon.

My husband has been on IB (it was invalidity benefit back then) since 1997, sent in sick notes for a year then we were told he didn't need to any more, he's never had a medical or renewal either. As far as I'm aware I think he may be exempt because he has dialysis but I could be wrong.

As my husband says, if young, fit, healthy university graduates can't find a job what employer is going to take him on? I can just see his interview now "yes I would like you to give me a job please but I'll need 3 days a week off for dialysis and I've often got hospital appointments on the days I'm not at dialysis and I'm often ill so I'll be taking lots of sick days".

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CountryGuy wrote: »

The thing is that over the years work places have had to adapt to enable disabled people to access them and work. This was helped by the disability discrimination act.

Either disabled people want the same rights as the rest of the people or they don't, but you can't cry out you want to be treated equal in one area but not another.

I think it is fantastic that in today's society companies are now more able to offer disabled people employment.

I am on ESA (support group) for severe depression but I also have RA. Since being unable to work due to the depression I have found my RA has worsened. I can't wait to have my depression under control again and go back to work as I don't want my body to seize up completely which can happen if you have any form of arthritis and don't get regular exercise. Work is a great way to exercise, a great way to take your mind off pain etc. I know as soon as they find the right treatment for my depression I won't be hanging around on ESA just because I've been placed in the support group.

Too much time on your hands gives your mind too much time to think of the pain etc.

the only employers who nearly came upto the target for the number of disabled employees(3%)were local authorities and the civil service,even then they missed by 1%,and of course those areas of employment are now under the most pressure for massive cuts.

In my humble opinion the govt can find as many people fit for work as they desire,but can they find jobs for any of them?the answer has to be a big fat NO

On the subject of moving from ib to esa,my thoughts are that it will happen when it happens theres little,sorry theres nothing i can do to alter that fact,just deal with it when the time comes and hope for the best whilst expecting the worst.

sunnyone

anguk wrote: »

Your post could have been about my husband!! :eek: Mine is 48, diabetic, renal failure having dialysis 3 times a week, right leg amputation. He also has neuropathy and sadly has completely lost the use of his left hand after having his 2nd fistula op. He's also got diabetic retinopathy (lots of laser treatment for bleeding blood vessels) and many other health problems but thankfully his heart is okay, surprisingly. He's on the transplant list but currently suspended after having to have one of his fingers on his useless hand amputated and it looks like the thumb is getting the chop soon.

My husband has been on IB (it was invalidity benefit back then) since 1997, sent in sick notes for a year then we were told he didn't need to any more, he's never had a medical or renewal either. As far as I'm aware I think he may be exempt because he has dialysis but I could be wrong.

As my husband says, if young, fit, healthy university graduates can't find a job what employer is going to take him on? I can just see his interview now "yes I would like you to give me a job please but I'll need 3 days a week off for dialysis and I've often got hospital appointments on the days I'm not at dialysis and I'm often ill so I'll be taking lots of sick days".

Are you sure he's still on IVB?

I am (since '92) and i thought it changed from IVB to IB in '95?

Its an important diffrence as IVB isnt taxable and any pension payments are also ignored.

I have never had a medical or anything, I think that while I was in hospital or rehab after my accident that they did some sort of paperwork but I was to ill at the time to worry and since I have been left alone since I have never felt the need to rock the boat.

I got changed to HRC a few years ago after MRC since '92 and i did think that maybe thats why recently I hadnt been botherd by the DWP since that means your PCA exempt in the same way as being on dialysis is.

We are two years into my husbands ill health and its much worse than my disabilities, my disabilities will shorten my life and make certain things much more likely but my husbands kidney failure, heart failure and stroke/ischemic cerebral disease will kill him and much faster my than my condiditons, I truely belive that the ESA changeover (or as in my husband the sickeness benefit at the time he became ill) is not fit for purpose for organ failure and other related very serious, life threatening diseases.

healy

sunnyone wrote: »

Are you sure he's still on IVB?

I am (since '92) and i thought it changed from IVB to IB in '95?

Its an important diffrence as IVB isnt taxable and any pension payments are also ignored.

I have never had a medical or anything, I think that while I was in hospital or rehab after my accident that they did some sort of paperwork but I was to ill at the time to worry and since I have been left alone since I have never felt the need to rock the boat.

I got changed to HRC a few years ago after MRC since '92 and i did think that maybe thats why recently I hadnt been botherd by the DWP since that means your PCA exempt in the same way as being on dialysis is.

We are two years into my husbands ill health and its much worse than my disabilities, my disabilities will shorten my life and make certain things much more likely but my husbands kidney failure, heart failure and stroke/ischemic cerebral disease will kill him and much faster my than my condiditons, I truely belive that the ESA changeover (or as in my husband the sickeness benefit at the time he became ill) is not fit for purpose for organ failure and other related very serious, life threatening diseases.

You are correct Incapacity Benefit came in in 1995.

Scared45

The chap at the Jobcentre Plus desk this morning really didn't have a clue about ESA migration, other than to inform me that, '1.5 million letters went out last week.'

I got a letter, but I highly doubt what he says.

richard9991

Scared45 wrote: »

The chap at the Jobcentre Plus desk this morning really didn't have a clue about ESA migration, other than to inform me that, '1.5 million letters went out last week.'

I got a letter, but I highly doubt what he says.

Very much doubt there it system could cope with 1.5 million letters plus its normal work load

Chrysalis

richard9991 wrote: »

when some one get transfered to esa they get transional protection so will get the same rate as ib the age addision is being gradually reduced each year

does anyone else find it not quite right that they want to remove age addition on IB/ESA but yet are increasing the single room age limit to 35 on LHA. Young people seem to be specifically targeted for negative changes.

anguk

sunnyone wrote: »

Are you sure he's still on IVB?

I am (since '92) and i thought it changed from IVB to IB in '95?

Its an important diffrence as IVB isnt taxable and any pension payments are also ignored.

Sorry I wasn't very clear in my post, he was originally on Invalidity Benefit then it changed to Incapacity Benefit. I also got the date wrong , he first got Invalidity in 1994.

He's received DLA mobility high rate for about 14 years and middle rate care for the last 6 years. He's never had a medical for either IB or DLA, I think he's exempt now because of the dialysis but he's only been on dialysis for 2 years.