No point working - why not just go on benefits?

purch

So you think I am bigoted for thinking:

No I am calling you a bigot, for deciding anyone who doesn't fit into your idea of how people should live their lives, scum.

Making wild generalisations, providing no proof to back up your assertions, and thinking you are somehow better than other people makes you the scum.

B_Blank

purch wrote: »

No I am calling you a bigot, for deciding anyone who doesn't fit into your idea of how people should live their lives, scum.

Making wild generalisations, providing no proof to back up your assertions, and thinking you are somehow better than other people makes you the scum.

Look purchy, its pretty pathetic how you like to watch on from your idealistic, super PC position and critise people for pointing out the ills of our society.

Get a grip mate. Come on, stop trolling.

nightwatchman

"He who does not work should not eat"
2nd Thesalonians 3

diable

nightwatchman wrote: »

"He who does not work should not eat"
2nd Thesalonians 3

load of boll0cks

diable 00:13

dktreesea

ukcarper wrote: »

Just done a check on entitledto to see if it was worth a 24 year old where I am not working and going on benefits. He would get £51.75 income support and £80 LHA towards the cost of a room in a house share per week.

You'ld probably also get something towards your council benefit. Even for a single person though, if you're in a minimum wage job, so £200 or so a week after tax and N.I. (if anyone knows the exact figure feel free to jump in) you have to pay your full room rate, so let's say that's £80 a week, and another £10 or so a week to wards the council tax. uit might still be worthwhile at that point to work, because the remaining £90 or so a week is a lot better than £51 a week.

But throw in a couple of children, and both partners working full time for the minimum wage. They can't get working tax credit because they earn too much. They've both got cr*p jobs, because that's what minimum wage jobs are. Sure, they get £400 a week between them, not much help towards housing or council tax costs, and they probably have to spend £40 a week just to get to and from work. Say their council tax is £20 a week. Maybe they have to run a car because the public transport doesn't get them to where their work is (not uncommon, especially down south). So say £30 a week just to keep the car on the road, (insurance, registration, getting the MOT done every year, servicing etc etc ) but not including petrol (part of the £40 a week cost of getting to/from work). They're not eligible for free school meals, so have to at least give their kids a packed lunch. Even if that only costs £1 a day, it all adds up - say £5 a week.

Then there's the clawback for the housing benefit. This is a real killer, because it's based on your before tax income. So say before tax is £440 a week, and the applicable amount (amount of income you can have before the clawback starts) is £240 for a family of 4. At 65% rate, that's £130 a week of your rent that you could end up having to find, compared to not working at all.

So you clear £400 and have to now shell out (so far) £225 on the above. Then there's all the things that don't get covered if you work. like prescription fees, dental, say another £10 or so a week. After these costs, you're left with £165 a week. That's for two people, working full time, mind you.

If, instead of doing this, you became self employed, so still work, but 30 hours a week between the two of you. Say you earn £60 profit a week. Not worth it? Sure it is. That level of income will give you enough benefits to pay for all your housing rent (assuming you live in an area where the LHA is higher than your actual rent), all your council tax, working tax credit and child tax credit, currently around £180 or so a week. So £240 a week including your profit. You can still run your car, so take out £70 a week. You now qualify, depending on where you live in the UK for free school meals. (maybe not if in England?) You now get free prescriptions/dental and the like. All in all you end uup with about the same in your pocket, but you've worked 30 hours a week between you rather than 80 hours a week, presumably doing something you love, and you haven't had to commute to work because you're already there.

The_White_Horse

B_Blank wrote: »

So you think I am bigoted for thinking:

1, work should pay
2, children should respect adults
3, children should be encouraged to value their education and could learn from kids in third world countries whose 1 dream is to be educated

Interesting.....

Get a grip mate....

he does because he is a lefty moron. probably thinks all property is theft as well (and lives in a big home he owns - they are all hypocrites as well)

The_White_Horse

purch wrote: »

No I am calling you a bigot, for deciding anyone who doesn't fit into your idea of how people should live their lives, scum.

Making wild generalisations, providing no proof to back up your assertions, and thinking you are somehow better than other people makes you the scum.

anyone who doesn't conform to my idea of how people should live their lives are scum.

that doesn't make be a bigot. that makes me right.

dirty scum. filthy cretinous disrespectful scum.

The_White_Horse

nightwatchman wrote: »

"He who CAN WORK BUT CHOOSES NOT TO work should not eat"
2nd Thesalonians 3

i have corrected this to how it should be.

dktreesea

The_White_Horse wrote: »

i have corrected this to how it should be.

I would agree with "he who can work BUT CHOOSES NOT TO work", if one could be in total control of being paid for any work one could do. For example, if a person can't get a job but goes out and sweeps the streets, and this, of itself, is sufficient to get paid, then fair enough. But nowadays in Britain, not only is there not enough work to go around, it seems we don't even educate everyone sufficiently so that all are qualified enough to actually get work.

Contrast this to other developed countries, like Australia, where everyone is guaranteed a place in further education, entry is strictly on merit, so if you pass the level necessary you get a place, regardless of your background (unlike here where for some university courses, it wouldn't matter how well you do - it all depends on an interview. For example a top student from Brighton reported about in the last couple of years, top of his school, plenty of A passes for A grades, but didn't receive a single offer.) AND, if you are not in work, further education or training and are under 25, you don't get a penny.

Herbie_Hancock_I_wish

I know a few people who under pressure. Work drying up, mortgage to pay and of course the tax bill as self employed. Of course they put their family before the tax man. Would most likely waste it on wars and other rubbish. I see people on benefits that do rather nicely.
Lass I know does 16 hours a week work. Will take a cab from one pub to another, about a 2 or 3 minute walk.

We are older folk, both with ill health but working. Earn very little. In fact will be possibly fired shortly due to ill health. If that happens, I will claim every benefit I am entitled. Paid a fortune in tax in the good years so pay back time.