is it normal for another GP to fill DLA form in

sardine

TOBRUK wrote: »

This is why you have to make sure that you write and give full details about the specialists, test results, etc on your application for DLA. If you wish get reports from the consultants you see and anyone who cares for you to send with your claim. There is plenty of opportunity to write on the application form what you wish ... it is noted at the back of the form that you may add further pages.

Thank you I think I know what you mean, others may not.

The only two drawbacks that I can see to this and to the link above (DLA140 Notes to GP how to complete), are:

That the claimant might not have discussed his or her problems with the GP. They might have discussed treatment etc, but not how their life is affected by the disability mainly because (and this generally affects the older person) it is accepted as 'just getting older'.

And the other is - where do claimants get this information from? I for one have no idea what my consultants say to my GP, nor do I have the faintest of a clue what the results are of tests (other than what the GP tells me).
To be honest, I wouldn't understand them and surely this is something between the GP and the Consultant in deciding how to treat you.

daska

I would imagine that the appeal process is no different from the application process I.E. the onus is on you to prove your eligibility. I know that during the application process, even if you ring up and tell them there's been a substantial change, they won't request an update from your GP or your hospital - even if the person on the phone implies that they will. My ex husband experienced this problem because the DWP requested a report from his previous consultant at a different hospital, his condition had deteriorated substantially but the DWP wouldn't write to ask for a new report and the new hospital wouldn't provide a report unless the DWP requested it.

TOBRUK

sardine wrote: »

Thank you I think I know what you mean, others may not.

The only two drawbacks that I can see to this and to the link above (DLA140 Notes to GP how to complete), are:

That the claimant might not have discussed his or her problems with the GP. They might have discussed treatment etc, but not how their life is affected by the disability mainly because (and this generally affects the older person) it is accepted as 'just getting older'.

I have not looked at the link 'DLA140 Notes to GP how to complete", but with regard discussing problems with GP - it is important that people do discuss problems with their GP! If you discuss treatment with your GP you ask what your options are.

And the other is - where do claimants get this information from? I for one have no idea what my consultants say to my GP, nor do I have the faintest of a clue what the results are of tests (other than what the GP tells me).
To be honest, I wouldn't understand them and surely this is something between the GP and the Consultant in deciding how to treat you.

The decision of how you are treated is down to YOU and is NOT something just between your consultant and your GP. That may have been the case years ago. Whatever the GP tells you, you should be able to ask any question and whatever treatment is decided between you and your GP or/and consultant.

My GP tells me what she believes would be beneficial, or discusses treatment ... medication, or referrals, test results etc etc. When it has been discussed she asks me what I want .. it is a two way thing.

I saw my GP yesterday and I was with her for over 20 mins! She explains everything and asks me what I want!

I saw a consultant this week at outpatients, and when he had told me what he knew and what he thought we should do, he asked me if it was alright!

clemmatis

sardine wrote: »

And the other is - where do claimants get this information from? I for one have no idea what my consultants say to my GP, nor do I have the faintest of a clue what the results are of tests (other than what the GP tells me).
To be honest, I wouldn't understand them and surely this is something between the GP and the Consultant in deciding how to treat you.

Some consultants have sent me a copy of their letter to the GP. When they haven't, what they told me about treatment etc. at the time I saw them was mainly the same as what the GP said.

You can ask to see all the records.

And no it is not between the GP and the consultant. You have to consent to treatment and should be properly informed.

sardine

TOBRUK wrote: »

I have not looked at the link 'DLA140 Notes to GP how to complete", but with regard discussing problems with GP - it is important that people do discuss problems with their GP! If you discuss treatment with your GP you ask what your options are.

The decision of how you are treated is down to YOU and is NOT something just between your consultant and your GP. That may have been the case years ago. Whatever the GP tells you, you should be able to ask any question and whatever treatment is decided between you and your GP or/and consultant.

My GP tells me what she believes would be beneficial, or discusses treatment ... medication, or referrals, test results etc etc. When it has been discussed she asks me what I want .. it is a two way thing.

I saw my GP yesterday and I was with her for over 20 mins! She explains everything and asks me what I want!

I saw a consultant this week at outpatients, and when he had told me what he knew and what he thought we should do, he asked me if it was alright!

Thankyou
As regards options, I am in the hands of the professionals. I wouldn't know one end of stethescope from the other.
Of course treatment is discussed, albeit along the lines of what my Consultants have said to the GP. No one has ever asked me if it is alright to do that or carry out a procedure. I am told that it is the best option and that other options aren't viable.
As regrds medication, I am told by my GP what he thinks is the best for me. I wouldn't know what the drug was or how it works would I?
Apart from trying to sort out the symptoms, I don't go into a long discussion about how those symptoms etc affect whether I can cook a meal!

I do understand where you are coming from, but, where the GP and the consultants are involved, and me having no medical training or knowledge whatsoever, how can I be expected to enter into a meaningful discussion. I just do as I am told and get on with it.

As for what I want, that is quite simple. for them (GP & Consultants) to first find out what is wrong and then for them to decide between themselves what should be done to solve the problem. How they do it is up to them. That is what they get paid to do.

If any of my consultants asked me if it was alright in what they are doing, I would be a little concerned thinking that they are not quite sure themselves and want my opinion.

No different than a decorator coming into my home to paint various rooms. Of course I would choose the colour, but as to what paint he should use, what brand I leave to his professional judgement. (in that example, I have had one h**l of a job convincing my wife that she can't have emulsion on the woodwork just because she likes what it looks like!!!)

sardine

clemmatis wrote: »

Some consultants have sent me a copy of their letter to the GP. When they haven't, what they told me about treatment etc. at the time I saw them was mainly the same as what the GP said.

You can ask to see all the records.

And no it is not between the GP and the consultant. You have to consent to treatment and should be properly informed.

Thankyou,

I know that I have to consent, but I would be an idiot to go against advice from my GP and/or my consultants. There is no choice available, they tell me that that course of action is the best for me.

They do however tell me the risks, but even so, I have to believe in them in that they are doing the right thing for me.
Anybody needing surgery to help prolong their life would be daft to say no because the consultant says that it is less than 50% that I would survive the operation. I'll die without it and could die having it - no choice!

TOBRUK

sardine wrote: »

Thankyou
As regards options, I am in the hands of the professionals. I wouldn't know one end of stethescope from the other.
Of course treatment is discussed, albeit along the lines of what my Consultants have said to the GP. No one has ever asked me if it is alright to do that or carry out a procedure. I am told that it is the best option and that other options aren't viable.
As regrds medication, I am told by my GP what he thinks is the best for me. I wouldn't know what the drug was or how it works would I?
Apart from trying to sort out the symptoms, I don't go into a long discussion about how those symptoms etc affect whether I can cook a meal!

I do understand where you are coming from, but, where the GP and the consultants are involved, and me having no medical training or knowledge whatsoever, how can I be expected to enter into a meaningful discussion. I just do as I am told and get on with it.

As for what I want, that is quite simple. for them (GP & Consultants) to first find out what is wrong and then for them to decide between themselves what should be done to solve the problem. How they do it is up to them. That is what they get paid to do.

If any of my consultants asked me if it was alright in what they are doing, I would be a little concerned thinking that they are not quite sure themselves and want my opinion.

sardine wrote: »

Thankyou,

I know that I have to consent, but I would be an idiot to go against advice from my GP and/or my consultants. There is no choice available, they tell me that that course of action is the best for me.

They do however tell me the risks, but even so, I have to believe in them in that they are doing the right thing for me.
Anybody needing surgery to help prolong their life would be daft to say no because the consultant says that it is less than 50% that I would survive the operation. I'll die without it and could die having it - no choice!

You don't need to be medically trained to find out from a GP or consultant what anything means and what they believe they should do - and even if there are no options it is still your decision in the end what you want!

When you are given medication, you know after a short while how it affects you, whether it is working in your favour! If it isn't right for you, you ask if there is any other drug that you can try!

With any operation they tell you the risks and then you make a choice whether you consent or not. Yes ... they are the medical professionals but they should explain about anything you are unsure of or don't know!

sardine

TOBRUK wrote: »

You don't need to be medically trained to find out from a GP or consultant what anything means and what they believe they should do - and even if there are no options it is still your decision in the end what you want!

When you are given medication, you know after a short while how it affects you, whether it is working in your favour! If it isn't right for you, you ask if there is any other drug that you can try!

With any operation they tell you the risks and then you make a choice whether you consent or not. Yes ... they are the medical professionals but they should explain about anything you are unsure of or don't know!

Thankyou

Maybe I don't give the impression that I want to know. I don't know, I don't ask that's for certain.

As for reports from GP's and consultants to the DWP, I never though it necessary to explain things about the difficulties I have in life. Yet the DWP seem to expect the GP/consultants to know that information when you read the link I mentioned.

TOBRUK

sardine wrote: »

Thankyou

Maybe I don't give the impression that I want to know. I don't know, I don't ask that's for certain.

As for reports from GP's and consultants to the DWP, I never though it necessary to explain things about the difficulties I have in life. Yet the DWP seem to expect the GP/consultants to know that information when you read the link I mentioned.

You should ask ... they are there to help you and they don't bite! It is YOUR LIFE, and although we put our lives in their hands it is very important that you ask as many questions as you feel necessary and they must explain so as you understand.

With reports - if they contact your GP for a report, how does your GP know things about how you cope etc unless you tell him/her? They are not mind readers! You really should try and communicate with your GP ... for your own good.;)

On this forum there are many who say that they have a bad report from GP with regards DLA, when they are contacted for information. However, I really do wonder if many so called bad reports are a result of no communication between claimant and GP?

when_will_it_end

hi all

glad to see it has not just happened to me

i read the link and one of the first things that struck me was, the report should be based on the doctors knowlegde of me, i have never seen this doctor so he has none

i always ask for copies of reports from where ever i am sent, it also means i know when the doctor recieves his and then i can make an appointment to discuss, i have also sent my doctor reports that have been done independantly so he knows where im up to with everything

i only ever seen 1 other doctor a few times he was very old school and he upset me this is why i have not seen anyother doctor for years

my surgery is computorised now but my doctor knows me and my DD well, if she has an appointment he will always ask how i am getting on ect....
so when someone said that notes on a computor are not always made i think your right

some one also mentioned they re wrote to their doctor for more info i am hoping they will do this or send me for a medical with ATOS an then the evidence will mostly speak for it's self

thanks