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Vauxhall lifetime guarantee scam
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thenudeone wrote: »Sorry - I should have said - consequential damage. The answer is - some do.
Yes, but they are normally very expensive in comparison and not exactly "off the shelf."No, but without knowing in advance which parts might fail, I would rather have a policy that covers all mechanical and electrical components with some exceptions, than a list of specific covered components.
There is a list of what is covered. I would have thought that, if it isn't on the list if what is covered, it isn't covered. Kind of makes sense, don't you think?
However, the link you provided does have a list of exclusions.The greater danger, for most of us, lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low and achieving our mark0 -
Strider590 wrote: »
Besides, manufacturers don't care if a car falls apart inside it's warranty!
The manufacturer does care on a warranty claim!
A warranty claim goes through some very high up departments and includes managers of several departments.
In fact if this is down to a manufacturing process, the process will be examined in detail right down to monitoring the line operative and also if the standard operation is being followed to the letter in the sequence of build per rotation. This will be monitored on a daily basis several times per shift for up to a month (and beyond if needed), monitoring all operators per shift. If this fails then a counter measure is enforced then the whole process starts again.
A warranty claim will also enforce a fast clean up of surrounding vehicles where all vehicles within the chassis number ,build spec or sequence number will be checked that can be....(not all cars may be effected due to spec of concern vehicle), for major problems "holds" will be placed on the range of vehicles within the concern criteria, these vehicles could of been shipped to anywhere in the world, the "hold" applied will highlight the concern that needs attention.
For engineering process faults they too have the same guide lines to follow, where a parts manufacturer is to blame have they same processes to follows and the same rules apply.
Strider590 comments are not to be believed, don't take his comments as anything but a non educated quip...!!!!
I have read up to "post 3" and no further, if this is the standard of post on here then "run for the hills".0 -
Yes, but they are normally very expensive in comparison and not exactly "off the shelf."
Well they provide a quote instantly online and allow you to buy with a credit card. That's "off the shelf" in my book.
Whether they are "expensive" depends on what value you put on the extra cover, which is a subjective decision.There is a list of what is covered. I would have thought that, if it isn't on the list if what is covered, it isn't covered. Kind of makes sense, don't you think?
It makes sense, but I want as much as possible to covered. Doesn't that make sense?We need the earth for food, water, and shelter.
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The earth does not belong to us.
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thenudeone wrote: »Well they provide a quote instantly online and allow you to buy with a credit card. That's "off the shelf" in my book.
Okay, which ones do and how much do they cost, in comparison to the one we have been discussing. The one Thenudeone bought.Whether they are "expensive" depends on what value you put on the extra cover, which is a subjective decision.
It certainly does, but it also depends on how you quantify that risk against the money spent and what is already available.It makes sense, but I want as much as possible to covered. Doesn't that make sense?
Then if you want to pay above what is reasonable, that is up to you., For example, I would rather spend ten pounds on engine oil, than pay an extra two hundred pounds to insure it.The greater danger, for most of us, lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low and achieving our mark0 -
Okay, which ones do and how much do they cost, in comparison to the one we have been discussing. The one Thenudeone bought.
Vauxhall Zafira 1.9CDTI 2006 just under 5 years old. cover for 2 years
1) warrantywise.co.uk £740 All Electrical & Mechanical Components except listed exclusions
2) warrantyDirect.co.uk Extracare £436.82 Listed components only
3) MB&G renewal quote £499(?) All Electrical & Mechanical Components except listed exclusions [originally bought online through https://www.eta.co.uk who no longer offer new policies]
4) Masterfit Extended Warranty £659 Quoted and bought direct from Vauxhall on the phone. "All the major mechanical and electrical components originally covered by the manufacturer’s warranty are protected" http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/owners_services/warranty_assistance/masterfit_extended_warranty.html and http://www.townparks.co.uk/docs/sideoffers/15.pdfWe need the earth for food, water, and shelter.
The earth needs us for nothing.
The earth does not belong to us.
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thenudeone wrote: »Vauxhall Zafira 1.9CDTI 2006 just under 5 years old. cover for 2 years
1) warrantywise.co.uk £740 All Electrical & Mechanical Components except listed exclusions
2) warrantyDirect.co.uk Extracare £436.82 Listed components only
3) MB&G renewal quote £499(?) All Electrical & Mechanical Components except listed exclusions [originally bought online through www.eta.co.uk who no longer offer new policies]
4) Masterfit Extended Warranty £659 Quoted and bought direct from Vauxhall on the phone. "All the major mechanical and electrical components originally covered by the manufacturer’s warranty are protected" http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/owners_services/warranty_assistance/masterfit_extended_warranty.html and http://www.townparks.co.uk/docs/sideoffers/15.pdf
Which one of those cover consequential losses?The greater danger, for most of us, lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low and achieving our mark0 -
Strider590 comments are not to be believed, don't take his comments as anything but a non educated quip...!!!!
I worked as a quality engineer for a tier 1 supplier to some of the biggest manufacturers in Europe.
Shafting suppliers makes a lot of profit for the manufacturer, the processes you describe have to be done whether there are quality issues or not. They pay "quality" people to do a job regardless of whether XYZ falls apart, this involves tonnes of paperwork and in fact life becomes so much easier when there is actually a problem! (Six Sigma, 5Y, 8D, etc etc etc)
The worst thing is proving there's not a problem, because it's a case of "guilty until proven innocent" and you spend weeks/months doing pointless tests and investigations to build up a case to say "not our fault".
In the case of a genuine problem, the supplier must be able to state how many are affected and what batch numbers they were. If the problems affects a whole batch, then the supplier is billed for the costs of recalling/testing/checking thousands of vehicles at an extortionate rate. Unless the supplier chooses to ship it's own people out the to manufactures plant to do this.
The only, ONLY exception is "safety critical" parts, these include steering systems and braking systems as well as lesser safety feature's like automatic window opening if the car becomes submerged.
The only people that care about parts failing is a) the end user b) the supply chain...... Manufacturers stick all the pieces together, there's actually very little they have responsibility for.“I may not agree with you, but I will defend to the death your right to make an a** of yourself.”
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thenudeone wrote: »All of them AFIK
I don't suppose you have their terms and conditions do you? Which of them are available to everybody, for any car at a price of less then two hundred pounds for twelve months cover?The greater danger, for most of us, lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low and achieving our mark0 -
I don't suppose you have their terms and conditions do you? Which of them are available to everybody, for any car at a price of less then two hundred pounds for twelve months cover?
I think it would be difficult to find a "good" (by my definition) warranty for that price, but if you stretch it to £250 pa for a two year policy, that would have got you this policy two years ago from https://www.eta.co.uk, on a 3-year old car (including catalytic converter cover):
http://www.mediafire.com/?u50mhtifaf1d4i8
http://www.mediafire.com/?w3rbwjm5elmk24s
I don't know whether eta still offer this to new customers, as they have removed it from their website, but they are definitely still offering renewals.We need the earth for food, water, and shelter.
The earth needs us for nothing.
The earth does not belong to us.
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