P800 and ESC A19

dori2o

Simply tell them you will have difficulty in repaying such a sum. They will pass you onto a trained advisor, or if themselves trained willdeal with it themselves,and will agree a payment plan with you. It may be the case that they will need you to send them an I&E breakdown.

richandhils

Lucky me - also returned to P800 for just over £1000 for 08/09.
I completed a return for 07/08 and in Oct 08 was told no tax return required in future. Have Notice of tax codes that all tie up with P11D. No changes in circumstances and feel this is totally wrong. All figures look correct and HMRC have had all my info all along.
Any ideas/thoughts would be appreciated.

Thanks

Mikeyorks

richandhils wrote: »

Have Notice of tax codes that all tie up with P11D. No changes in circumstances and feel this is totally wrong. All figures look correct

But they can't all be correct - otherwise you wouldn't be £1k underpaid?

If you post the figures from the P800 plus those from your 08/09 P60 (pay / tax / Code number) ...... someone will look it over? But I suggest a new thread - as this one's getting a bit crowded?

isankey46616

I am in the same position so I researched to find out what I could do about it. My underpayment was for 08/09 & 09/10 for going over the 40% thresh hold (which I was not aware of) as I was working 3 jobs. I found that ESC A19 was an option so I sent a letter (by registered post) to HMRC with why I wanted to claim ESC. After 2 weeks I had heard nothing so I called them, they said that the letter had not yet been read but ESC probably didn't apply as they had only received my P60s (P14s) as information from my employers and they did not count as 'INFOMATION RECEIVED'. I have tried to find out what does count as 'INFORMATION RECEIVED' but can't find anywhere with a definition. I am stil waiting for a written reply from HMRC, but have received a letter demanding the money to be paid by 10th March 11. The amount is over £3,000, as it is across 2 tax years, and I do not have the money to pay. I think I still have a case for ESC but am told I need to wait for a reply to my initial letter before I can proceed with a complaint and a possible independent hearing. I am concerned about what will happen if i don't receive a reply before the 10th when the payment is due, how do I continue with my appeal for ESC, anyone got any advice???

Thanks iain

Mikeyorks

isankey46616 wrote: »

I have tried to find out what does count as 'INFORMATION RECEIVED' but can't find anywhere with a definition.

It's covered on the HMRC website here (What counts as information?) :-

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/esc/esc.htm

You can't expedite ESC A19 as it's purely an internal HMRC mechanism. But I suspect the chances of them agreeing that either year fall within the extra statutory concession are pretty slim. They may have had the detail of 3 x concurrent jobs but only you will have known the aggregate pushed you over 40%? Unless - you can show you were also over 40% from those sources in 07/08?

isankey46616

Thanks for your help, so would you suggest that I don't pursue ESC in that case and contact them to arrange a payment plan before March 10th? I don't want to end up having interest charged on the amount if I have no chance of them agreeing to ESC?

I maintain, however, that I was not aware that my tax affaires were not in order as I was PAYE with all of my employers and therefore didn't know I had to contact them about anything at all< I didn't know they could not put all of the information received together!

Mikeyorks

isankey46616 wrote: »

Thanks for your help, so would you suggest that I don't pursue ESC in that case and contact them to arrange a payment plan before March 10th?

You have 'invoked' it - so I would simply let them get on with it. I suspect they have a lot of cases on hand from the recent 07/08 P800s they've issued.

Arranging a payment plan isn't going to disadvantage you (in that it's not implying you've given up on ESC A19). And it will 'advantage' you in that (from my understanding) it will inhibit them moving the underpayments across to SA where interest will be charged

isankey46616

Thank you your advice has been very helpful, I will contact HMRC to set up a payment plan!

dori2o

Mikeyorks wrote: »

You have 'invoked' it - so I would simply let them get on with it. I suspect they have a lot of cases on hand from the recent 07/08 P800s they've issued.

Arranging a payment plan isn't going to disadvantage you (in that it's not implying you've given up on ESC A19). And it will 'advantage' you in that (from my understanding) it will inhibit them moving the underpayments across to SA where interest will be charged

Correct. As long as you have arranged an agreement they will not transfer the balance to SA, therefore no interest charge.

With regards to isankey's original post, as Mikey has said, although HMRC may have had the details of all your sources of income, they do not get details of what you have been paid from them every week/fortnight/month and so if this was the first time you went over the higher rate tax threshold, the first HMRC would have known about it was when they received your P60's after the end of the tax year. As yet there is no realtime monitoring within HMRC.

IMHO there needs to be something added to the curriculum at schools so that those about to leave are given a lesson in what their and HMRC's responsibilities are when it comes to taxation. The onus is on the individual to inform HMRC of any changes to their income, address, name, benefits etc. It is the responsibility of the individual to ensure they are paying the correct amount of tax, it is the responsibility of HMRC to ensure this tax is collected.

boiler_man

richandhils wrote: »

Lucky me - also returned to P800 for just over £1000 for 08/09.
I completed a return for 07/08 and in Oct 08 was told no tax return required in future. Have Notice of tax codes that all tie up with P11D. No changes in circumstances and feel this is totally wrong. All figures look correct and HMRC have had all my info all along.
Any ideas/thoughts would be appreciated.

Thanks

I too have a bill for in excess of £1000. I completed tax return for 07/08 and was told that no tax return was required in future. I previously claimed for mileage (don't get 40p per mile from company)in own car. As HMRC did not want further tax returns I assumed that this would be taken into account when sorting out future tax codes. Nothing has changed in my circumstances and I cannot understand how any underpayment has arisen as HMRC were aware of my situation from previous years. :think: