Council house rant....

debrag

wrightk wrote: »

animum i think wwharris has answered your ridiculous comment better than i could.

as for the quote above. housing IS based on need. It is only the people who are not in priority need who feel the need to moan and complain.

As for some of the other comments about having more and more kids to get bigger houses this is actually untrue. Have a look at your local councils allocation policy. a single mum with 2 kids even if they are the same sex is expected to live in a 2 bed up until one of the children is 7 years old in my council, and this applies to everyone, in a couple , single et etc

Isn't it 7 for oposite sex and 10 for same sex or something like that. I know a family of 8 in a 3 bed.

ILW

wrightk wrote: »

animum i think wwharris has answered your ridiculous comment better than i could.

as for the quote above. housing IS based on need. It is only the people who are not in priority need who feel the need to moan and complain.

As for some of the other comments about having more and more kids to get bigger houses this is actually untrue. Have a look at your local councils allocation policy. a single mum with 2 kids even if they are the same sex is expected to live in a 2 bed up until one of the children is 7 years old in my council, and this applies to everyone, in a couple , single et etc

So why should taxpayers have to subsidise this single mum to have children that she cannot support?
I doubt WWH will agree, he does not seem to understand the priciple of personal responsibility.

poppysarah

Morglin wrote: »

Social housing is allocated on housing need - whether someone is working or not, whether they claim benefits/tax credits or not is all irrelevant to allocations policy.

It is.

But that generally means the UK citizen living in expensive rented is adequately housed whilst the immigrant worker who is homeless gets the housing.

I feel it's going to cause a riot by saying it but whilst we have huge levels of unemployment in the UK I feel it's wrong to keep letting people in from outside.

Every immigrant worker is causing uk unemployment and a further dependency on benefits for another generation.

If Uk people do not have the skills we would be better investing in them getting the skills employers need.

I do think some of the problem is the generous benefits system we have that enables people to live happily on the dole.

abbadon3

I have no issue with one particular group of people getting social housing (single mums, immigrants, key workers etc etc).

I also have no issue with the idea that there are people who need help to be able to live.

What i despise is the fact there are thousands of people who are happy to sit about doing nothing, watching there massive HD tv in there living room, and then collecting the money paid for by my taxes. (And usualy moaning alot about how they dont get given enough!)

Why should we have to pay for those who choose not to work? For those that decide they are entitled to be paid for by those who contribute to society?

I appreciate there are plenty of people who need benefits/social housing. And i appreciate that there are some people who end up losing there jobs, or becomming disabled etc and they have good reason to be taken care of. But there are plenty of people who are just happily sucking the life out of the rest of the country for there own selfish benefit.

If everyone who could work, did work, the country would be in a much better position.

Scum shouldn't be allowed to negatively effect the rest of us and we'd be better off sending them off on a raft into the middle of the sea!

poppysarah

abbadon3 wrote: »

I have no issue with one particular group of people getting social housing (single mums, immigrants, key workers etc etc).

I think we'd be better off in the UK if we had a lot more social housing.

Cheap rents mean households have more money to spend in the rest of the economy. Cheap rents make working more achievable.

Secure tenancies help build communities.

ILW

poppysarah wrote: »

I think we'd be better off in the UK if we had a lot more social housing.

Cheap rents mean households have more money to spend in the rest of the economy. Cheap rents make working more achievable.

Secure tenancies help build communities.

So where does the subsidy for cheap rents come from?

poppysarah

ILW wrote: »

So where does the subsidy for cheap rents come from?

From not paying for hugely expensive private landlords on benefits. By not having to subsidise rents for those who work. For having more people in work and less on the dole.

Or even by not quantitative easing for the banks again and investing a billion or two in building social housing.

crunchyblanket

Every immigrant worker is causing uk unemployment and a further dependency on benefits for another generation.

Interestingly, the jobs these immigrants are doing are the ones many unemployed Brits consider themselves too good to stoop to: cleaners, traffic wardens, McDonald's staff, road sweepers, your basic bog standard service jobs, minimum wage. If they've got the work ethic and are willing to do whatever they can to support themselves, I'm certainly not going to begrudge them the money they earn.

Those who talk about 'a comfortable life on the dole' have obviously never had to live on benefits. My mum lived in a council flat on income support and still had to work three jobs in order to support us. The amount you get in benefits is a pittance.

ILW

crunchyblanket wrote: »

Interestingly, the jobs these immigrants are doing are the ones many unemployed Brits consider themselves too good to stoop to: cleaners, traffic wardens, McDonald's staff, road sweepers, your basic bog standard service jobs, minimum wage. If they've got the work ethic and are willing to do whatever they can to support themselves, I'm certainly not going to begrudge them the money they earn.

Those who talk about 'a comfortable life on the dole' have obviously never had to live on benefits. My mum lived in a council flat on income support and still had to work three jobs in order to support us. The amount you get in benefits is a pittance.

I would suspect that was some time ago, the situation is a lot different now and I would guess that in you mums situation these days she would have been worse off working. That is what annoys people.

abbadon3

I have watched many, many, many people have comfortable lives on the dole. To suggest there are not loads of people abusing the system and living easy lives is quite frankly ridiculous.

All council tennants and people claiming benefits are NOT honest, hard working people, struggling to live and putting in loads of effort. Some are, some aren't.