ESA Medical - here we go again!

skcollobcat10

http://www.atoshealthcare.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=55&Itemid=87


Go down to the title Competitive Benefits

I would be quite interested to know what exactly this means if Atos do not get paid to fail claimants:

Performance bonus –

based on performance of the business combined with a personal element so that individual efforts can also be rewarded.

Any answers?

Hastobe_Katt

It may not be 'proof' but it strongly echoes the experiences of people I know - seriously and terminally ill.

NASA_2

Hastobe_Katt wrote: »

It may not be 'proof' but it strongly echoes the experiences of people I know - seriously and terminally ill.

So it proves and offers nothing.

Not exactly suprising.

dmg24

skcollobcat10 wrote: »

http://www.atoshealthcare.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=55&Itemid=87


Go down to the title Competitive Benefits

I would be quite interested to know what exactly this means if Atos do not get paid to fail claimants:

Performance bonus –

based on performance of the business combined with a personal element so that individual efforts can also be rewarded.

Any answers?

That could mean anything - a call centre worker may be given a bonus for keeping call times short, does it mean that they are efficient or cutting people off?

The ATOS employee may be given a bonus for failing people, or maybe it is for how many people they see ... or indeed, maybe it is for how many reports they make that do not result in an appeal?

Hastobe_Katt

My husband is an NHS consultant and they manipulate the loudly proclaimed 'performance improvement targets' at will. For example the 18 weeks waiting time isn't from GP referral to treatment (as broadly advertised) but from the time the Consultant decides that you need treatment X. This can be fiddled in so many ways it's untrue. The NHS consultants are very conversant with all the techniques - and use them.

If these sorts of statistics / targets can be manipulated in the NHS then you're very, very naive if you think the same isn't being done by ATOS.

WhiteHorse

NASA wrote: »

Is that meant to be proof or something?

Well, short of a signed confession, you could try this one.

Former Atos doctors suggest ineffeciency and bias in assessments.
Source: BBC News 'Seriously ill patients 'told to work' 18/01/2010.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8465122.stm

WhiteHorse

Hastobe_Katt wrote: »

My husband is an NHS consultant and they manipulate the loudly proclaimed 'performance improvement targets' at will.

Thanks for that.

And of course, the 'choose and book' appointments system is a fraud too, manipulated to deny patients choice.

dmg24

Hastobe_Katt wrote: »

My husband is an NHS consultant and they manipulate the loudly proclaimed 'performance improvement targets' at will. For example the 18 weeks waiting time isn't from GP referral to treatment (as broadly advertised) but from the time the Consultant decides that you need treatment X. This can be fiddled in so many ways it's untrue. The NHS consultants are very conversant with all the techniques - and use them.

If these sorts of statistics / targets can be manipulated in the NHS then you're very, very naive if you think the same isn't being done by ATOS.

Absolutely, but as we do not even know what these performance targets are measuring, how can anyone suggest that they are being manipulated!

NASA_2

WhiteHorse wrote: »

Well, short of a signed confession, you could try this one.

Former Atos doctors suggest ineffeciency and bias in assessments.
Source: BBC News 'Seriously ill patients 'told to work' 18/01/2010.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8465122.stm

Still proves absolutely nothing whatsoever.

Pretty tedious fare.

Hastobe_Katt

Given that the stated aim is to reduce welfare by £7bn you can be damn sure that there is a target for reducing the claims of former IB claimants. You may not have the exact number in £.s.d but there will be one - and there will be ATOS benefit reduction targets linked to it.

I'm amazed at some of you guys - naive and trusting isn't in it!!!