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Richie-from-the-Boro

KimYeovil wrote: »

Rubbish. Your first post details a single tier structure. E7 tariffs use either two tier or daily standing charge single tier structures for their day units. The night units is not an additional 'tier'.

Show me, go on show me, I dare you - nah nah na nah nah ! cut and paste my stated single tier here.

BTW don't forget the (A - Tier 1) daytime / and (B - Tier 2) night-time figures clearly stated in my #1 post

Getting a bit silly this folks, sorry.

I was hoping for someone else's analysis / opinion. To stop it descending to KimYeovil's level I'll just ignore any further input unless like any troll who can call on available ' sock puppets ' to slither in with a proxy opinion I may need to defend.

KimYeovil

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

- hymn sheet, I gave full disclosure in #1 so that anyone can break down the figures I was given, the first figure are fact, I've taken them on a cut an paste from my account sheet :

From - 16.840ppd / 9.876p / 4.816p To - 26.900ppd / 11.231p / 5.596p

- what they rise to in #1 were given to me over the phone, and yes I'm very careful to transpose them accurately

I can not remember what the arithmetical parallel to Janet and John is but perhaps you should be brushing up on them?

Admittedly so should the call centre worker. I do not think anyone disagrees they are a little off - 14% does seem unlikely and the figure will be closer to 17 or 18%. But this does not include any discounts so they are still to be applied.

You did not provide full disclosure - you did not reveal how many units you have used (and hence plan to use). Without that your question is unanswerable.

Regional variation is creeping in with many suppliers and will only be spreading. This is unfortunate but that is the reality we live in.

I assume your other questions are rhetorical - you must know why there is a 'service' charge component and know perfectly well what it is for.

Richie-from-the-Boro

Premier wrote: »

As already mentioned, most/all comparison sites allow you to change this to suit your actual usage.

If it makes things easier for you, tell me all the details of your previous prices of your tariff (discounts, unit charges, tier 1 threshold/standing charges, etc) and your usages in kWh (including split of day:night in whatever fashion you prefer).
Then tell me the same details of your revised prices (you have this as you worked out some percentage differences)

As a one off favour, I'll then tell you how much more you'll have to pay with the increased prices. It ain't rocket science, and with this computer in front of me, it won't involve much mental dexterity at all.

Thanks my friend, they are all there in #1, the only figure I did not give were the kWh breakdown :

- I don't pay an NSC
- the split is at best a guesstimate of 55 night and 45 day
- previous and proposed new pricing is in #1

NOTE getting info from SP needs a level of ' scraping ' or data mining to uncover the details but give me an hour or so to drop of the grand-kids and I'll dig out the entire one year cycle plus from their website

KimYeovil

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

Show me, go on show me, I dare you - nah nah na nah nah ! cut and paste my stated single tier here.

BTW don't forget the (A - Tier 1) daytime / and (B - Tier 2) night-time figures clearly stated in my #1 post

Uhm, cut and pasted from you first post:

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

- if my daily service charge rises from 16.840ppd rises to 26.900ppd that's a rise of +59.73%
- if my daytime kWh rises from 9.876p .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .to 11.231p that's a rise of ..+13.72%
- if my night-time kWh rises from 4.816p .. .. .. .. .. .. .to 5.596p that's a rise of ...+16.19%

That is an example of daytime units being paid on a single tier daily standing charge tariff.

We are discussing electricity tariff structures. A two tier tariff in that context implicitly means one thing. Day units and night units are not tiers.

Premier_2

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

Thanks my friend, they are all there in #1, the only figure I did not give were the kWh breakdown :

- I don't pay an NSC
- the split is at best a guesstimate of 55 night and 45 day
- previous and proposed new pricing is in #1

NOTE getting info from SP needs a level of ' scraping ' or data mining to uncover the details but give me an hour or so to drop of the grand-kids and I'll dig out the entire one year cycle plus from their website

How many kWh do you use per year?
Please confirm no other discounts or charges apply.

(also if you would kindly give the tariff name & supply region, that would ensure a more accurate figure for you)

KimYeovil

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

Thanks my friend, they are all there in #1, the only figure I did not give were the kWh breakdown :

- I don't pay an NSC
- the split is at best a guesstimate of 55 night and 45 day
- previous and proposed new pricing is in #1

NOTE getting info from SP needs a level of ' scraping ' or data mining to uncover the details but give me an hour or so to drop of the grand-kids and I'll dig out the entire one year cycle plus from their website

I agree with you. This IS getting silly.

The standing charge is a flat cost of 365 * 26.xyx pence regardless of consumption. What percentage increase you face depends on how many units you use not just their split. You still have not disclosed the necessary data.

Richie-from-the-Boro

KimYeovil wrote: »

I can not remember what the arithmetical parallel to Janet and John is but perhaps you should be brushing up on them?

Admittedly so should the call centre worker. I do not think anyone disagrees they are a little off - 14% does seem unlikely and the figure will be closer to 17 or 18%. But this does not include any discounts so they are still to be applied.

You did not provide full disclosure - you did not reveal how many units you have used (and hence plan to use). Without that your question is unanswerable.

Regional variation is creeping in with many suppliers and will only be spreading. This is unfortunate but that is the reality we live in.

I assume your other questions are rhetorical - you must know why there is a 'service' charge component and know perfectly well what it is for.

You are doing it again, what has my usage got to do with my question ? my question was about the increase in cost not an increase caused by ( + / - ) usage.

A leccy company like all suppliers is putting its prices up, usage has nothing whatsoever to do with it. Its a simple cost not consumption question.

If I used a hundred times more leccy or a hundred times less leccy it would make no difference whatsoever to my question.

Richie-from-the-Boro

KimYeovil wrote: »

I agree with you. This IS getting silly.

The standing charge is a flat cost of 365 * 26.xyx pence regardless of consumption. What percentage increase you face depends on how many units you use not just their split. You still have not disclossed the necessary data.

It doesn't, you still can't get your head around it my friend My question was does 14.3% represent a reasonably true figure for the price increase next year compared to this year.

Implicit in that is the correct assumption that my usage will not significantly vary neither up nor down. Cost increase .. .. .. not consumption increase, I'm not changing my consumption they are changing the cost per kWh on both their night & day per kWh rate, additionally the euphemistically called Daily Service Charge jumps 59.73%

This site is called MSE, all I'm trying to do is find the true comparators, the tools with which each and every one of us can use to compare one offer with our current supplier. I'm not remotely interested in my next years bill, I can calculate that in a moment. What I want is sufficient real-time information on the aggregate % cost increase of my supplier and I do not believe that 14.3% is even close.

KimYeovil

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

You are doing it again, what has my usage got to do with my question ? my question was about the increase in cost not an increase caused by ( + / - ) usage.

A leccy company like all suppliers is putting its prices up, usage has nothing whatsoever to do with it. Its a simple cost not consumption question.

If I used a hundred times more leccy or a hundred times less leccy it would make no difference whatsoever to my question.

Yes it does! You are not asking about the cost - you are asking about the percentage increase in the cost. As your original post makes clear your FLAT daily standing charge has been substantially increased. The more you use the smaller the percentage increase in cost.

No-one disagrees that the proffered estimate seems too low - you would have to be using ten times a national average to be getting down to a 14 or 15% increase. Either it is completely wrong or there is a flat rate discount or something included.

Yes, Colin and the jockey could answer your question if they have access to your account history. No-one else can without the data.

espresso

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

You are doing it again, what has my usage got to do with my question ? my question was about the increase in cost not an increase caused by ( + / - ) usage.

A leccy company like all suppliers is putting its prices up, usage has nothing whatsoever to do with it. Its a simple cost not consumption question.

If I used a hundred times more leccy or a hundred times less leccy it would make no difference whatsoever to my question.

Sorry but you are wrong!

Why the reluctance to post your yearly usage figures because they do make a difference to your overall annual percentage rise.

You say that you use 50/50 day/night units e.g.

If you use 2000 day units and 2000 night units per annum the overall rise works out at 22.36%

If you use 4000 day units and 4000 night units per annum the overall rise works out at 18.82%

If you use 6000 day units and 6000 night units per annum the overall rise works out at 17.49%

If you use 8000 day units and 8000 night units per annum the overall rise works out at 16.79%

It's so easy to simply enter the figures into a spreadsheet! The quoted 14.3% rise is simply an average rise for all of their customers.