Speed Cameras ... ::sigh::

sniper666

Your not gonna like me saying this but unfortunatly if your going to speed then dont moan when you get caught. Your allowed upto 10%+2mph before its an offence as far as I know to account for speedo inaccuracy and inaccuracy of their equipment so if it was 34 that would be ok but 35 is an offence tho.

http://www.speedlimit.org.uk/faq.html

I would not worry to much if its just 3 points with no previous insurance wont change much anyway, I got done bout a year ago and it dint not make a real difference.

Flyboy152

cyclonebri1 wrote: »

No driver would ever express that opinion but it's obvious by observation of their actions that mobile phones, cd players, wiping the kids nose etc etc, have now all become aceptable, they don't kill, only speed kills is the brainwashing that's been handed out on virtually every other road sign in the country.

If, and I'm going off on one now, if the aurthorities really wanted to cut accidents, and I think I'm right in stating most happen at or near some road junction?, they should consider installing more STOP rather than GIVE WAY signs where it's clear to any skilled driver that you can't just merge out of that junction.:mad::mad:

Rant over:o

You have no evidence of that being the case. I can't imagine that any reasonable person would assume that, because they weren't exceeding the speed limit, it would be acceptable to otherwise drive dangerously. I really don't believe that drivers think, "ooh, I am not speeding, therefore I can use my mobile telephone without endangering anyone." I am sure they use other justifications for that.

mackemdave

WelshPaul wrote: »

My ex brother in law got done for doing 33 in a 30 zone, points and fine were given. This was around 14 years ago mind!

I find this very hard to believe

Flyboy152

sniper666 wrote: »

Your not gonna like me saying this but unfortunatly if your going to speed then dont moan when you get caught. Your allowed upto 10%+2mph before its an offence as far as I know to account for speedo inaccuracy and inaccuracy of their equipment so if it was 34 that would be ok but 35 is an offence tho.

http://www.speedlimit.org.uk/faq.html

I would not worry to much if its just 3 points with no previous insurance wont change much anyway, I got done bout a year ago and it dint not make a real difference.

No, these are just guidelines. They are not mandatory and it is up to any individual police officer to use their discretion. If, in their opinion, the speed is inappropriate and dangerous, even at thirty-one, they can prosecute for an offence. If, for example, a car drives at thirty-two mile per hour down a residential street, with only enough room for one car to pass safely, or if passed a school, it is likely that any officer will issue a ticket for speeding.

Lum

Flyboy152 wrote: »

You have no evidence of that being the case. I can't imagine that any reasonable person would assume that, because they weren't exceeding the speed limit, it would be acceptable to otherwise drive dangerously. I really don't believe that drivers think, "ooh, I am not speeding, therefore I can use my mobile telephone without endangering anyone." I am sure they use other justifications for that.

I've heard "But I wasn't speeding" used as an excuse several times, and heard it even more times indirectly via forums and anecdotes.

The guy who ploughed into the back of my stationary car at 50mph said those exact words to the officer who attended. It was a 70mph roundabout! Needless to say the officer was unimpressed.

Sure, he wasn't speeding, but he wasn't looking where he was going either.


As an aside, on my way to work this morning, I saw someone had driven into the back of a marked police car, outside the local school. :eek:
From the looks of the damage, and lack of skid marks, they probably weren't speeding either.

sniper666

Flyboy152 wrote: »

No, these are just guidelines. They are not mandatory and it is up to any individual police officer to use their discretion. If, in their opinion, the speed is inappropriate and dangerous, even at thirty-one, they can prosecute for an offence. If, for example, a car drives at thirty-two mile per hour down a residential street, with only enough room for one car to pass safely, or if passed a school, it is likely that any officer will issue a ticket for speeding.

Ah yes your very right sorry after further reading it does say exactly that on that web page link.

Inactive

Lum wrote: »

But even now there's plenty of STOP junctions where it's perfectly safe to roll through them at 5-10 mph with good observation, even though that's technically an offence.

If you start using them at junction where, say, a 15mph roll through would be ok, then people will start ignoring the really dangerous STOP junctions.

Not just " technically ", it is an offence.

No different to running a red traffic light.

Lum

Inactive wrote: »

Not just " technically ", it is an offence.

No different to running a red traffic light.

Absolutely, though I'm also an advocate of allowing left turn on red.

The point is that the purpose of a stop sign is to make sure that people actually look properly because visibility is a lot lower than average and someone who just sailed through the junction at 30 is pretty likely to have an accident.

You have to make it a legal thing, because putting up a sign saying, "This junction has terrible visibility, make sure you actually slow down and take a good look you blithering idiot" wouldn't achieve much.

A lot of people who understand this do the low speed rolling stop trick*, it saves fuel and is better for the environment, it may not be strictly legal but it does not cause a safety issue.

My point was that if you start sprinkling stop signs about, then more people will start doing rolling stops, and they will do them at higher speeds. Some of these people will then decide that stop signs are bobbins as you can just go through them at 15-20, then one day they will encounter a junction that really needs it and pull out in front of a van full of injured kittens.

*There is one junction by mine where it's pretty much essential. It's on an incredibly steep incline that you really don't want to do a hill start on, and actually stopping at the line affords you no visibility. You have to lean forward and creep over the line by a foot or so. Eventhe local Police don't actually stop there.

Gandalfthesecond

Lum wrote: »

Absolutely, though I'm also an advocate of allowing left turn on red.

The point is that the purpose of a stop sign is to make sure that people actually look properly because visibility is a lot lower than average and someone who just sailed through the junction at 30 is pretty likely to have an accident.

You have to make it a legal thing, because putting up a sign saying, "This junction has terrible visibility, make sure you actually slow down and take a good look you blithering idiot" wouldn't achieve much.

A lot of people who understand this do the low speed rolling stop trick*, it saves fuel and is better for the environment, it may not be strictly legal but it does not cause a safety issue.

My point was that if you start sprinkling stop signs about, then more people will start doing rolling stops, and they will do them at higher speeds. Some of these people will then decide that stop signs are bobbins as you can just go through them at 15-20, then one day they will encounter a junction that really needs it and pull out in front of a van full of injured kittens.

*There is one junction by mine where it's pretty much essential. It's on an incredibly steep incline that you really don't want to do a hill start on, and actually stopping at the line affords you no visibility. You have to lean forward and creep over the line by a foot or so. Eventhe local Police don't actually stop there.

The purpose of a stop sign is to make drivers stop.

Inactive

Lum wrote: »

A lot of people who understand this do the low speed rolling stop trick*, it saves fuel and is better for the environment, it may not be strictly legal but it does not cause a safety issue.

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I don't, I always bring my car to a complete stop at a stop sign, not worth the risk of getting points for a few seconds on a journey.