CITB Construction skills

Lifeisbutadream

DCodd wrote: »

Lifeisbut, do you manufacture the stuff you fit (I seem to remember that you mentioned you did once before but maybe I'm getting confused??).

I ask because I doubt that manufacturing wages would be included in a CITB levy and any fitting required as a process of manufacturing could be exempt too i.e. corian worktops, sinks etc. a bit like the CIS scheme exempts them.

We do some manufacturing, but not much.

We have around £40K going through as PAYE and CIS labour for the jobs that we do - everything else is the jobs that I personally have set up (for instance supply and fit of windows, I might arrange the job and make £50 on a £2K job)

DCodd

Lifeisbutadream wrote: »

We do some manufacturing, but not much.

We have around £40K going through as PAYE and CIS labour for the jobs that we do - everything else is the jobs that I personally have set up (for instance supply and fit of windows, I might arrange the job and make £50 on a £2K job)

Is that £40k for each then?

Do you work for domestic customers and if so does domestic work fall into the CITB levy?

Sorry for asking so many questions buit I know that many of these Industry Boards are not too forthcoming with listing the legitimate exemptions.

Sambucus_Nigra

DCodd wrote: »

Is that £40k for each then?

Do you work for domestic customers and if so does domestic work fall into the CITB levy?

Sorry for asking so many questions buit I know that many of these Industry Boards are not too forthcoming with listing the legitimate exemptions.

The levy document IIRC is at least 50 odd pages long....it takes time to learn exactly how it works.

Please stop giving info on what is and isn't exempt - it's not about domestic or non-domestic work! That's not how CITB levy works.

Lifeisbutadream

DCodd wrote: »

Is that £40k for each then?

Do you work for domestic customers and if so does domestic work fall into the CITB levy?

Sorry for asking so many questions buit I know that many of these Industry Boards are not too forthcoming with listing the legitimate exemptions.

To be honest I dont know what falls into what - its over £80K altogether, but most of the other just over £40K was tiny profit jobs, which is my point - even if this is a 'legitimate' charge, it is a very unfair one, nobody told me about it beforehand so I could have not done the jobs.

Lifeisbutadream

What gets me is how this has gone on for so long with no queestions asked??!!

Can you imagine if a (non construction) worker went to work and paid taxes every month/week whatevere and then the next tax year someone wrote to them and said, because the sold X amount of X's they would have to pay £1200. They could not question it because that was just the way things were.

I just love the way the construction Industry tries to legitimise everything by taxing the genuine individuals/businesses more and more! if I was a cash in hand, dodgy builder I could make a fortune!

Sambucus_Nigra

Lifeisbutadream wrote: »

What gets me is how this has gone on for so long with no queestions asked??!!

Can you imagine if a (non construction) worker went to work and paid taxes every month/week whatevere and then the next tax year someone wrote to them and said, because the sold X amount of X's they would have to pay £1200. They could not question it because that was just the way things were.

I just love the way the construction Industry tries to legitimise everything by taxing the genuine individuals/businesses more and more! if I was a cash in hand, dodgy builder I could make a fortune!

Sigh. It's been going on for over 40 years, and believe me - people have asked questions!

Thatcher got rid of all the other ITBs - the CITB and ECITB were left as otherwise, the industry would do no training at all.

It's not based on sales, or profit - it's based on your PAYE and LOSC payments - and most companies will take the 1.5% out of payments to LOSC accordingly to compensate.

I've offered to help you on your calcs [I've been doing this 10 years], however if you don't want assistance, then you don't! Very odd.

DCodd

Sambucus_Nigra wrote: »

The levy document IIRC is at least 50 odd pages long....it takes time to learn exactly how it works.

Please stop giving info on what is and isn't exempt - it's not about domestic or non-domestic work! That's not how CITB levy works.

I wasn't giving info, I was asking.

There are exemptions and someone should inform lifeisbut what they are. So as you seem to be saying you know, tell us what they are.

Loanranger

Lifeisbutadream wrote: »

What gets me is how this has gone on for so long with no queestions asked??!!

Can you imagine if a (non construction) worker went to work and paid taxes every month/week whatevere and then the next tax year someone wrote to them and said, because the sold X amount of X's they would have to pay £1200. They could not question it because that was just the way things were.

I just love the way the construction Industry tries to legitimise everything by taxing the genuine individuals/businesses more and more! if I was a cash in hand, dodgy builder I could make a fortune!

But you're not simply a worker, you are an employer.
Not being aware of something is not a reason for non compliance.

People are offering you information, advice and practical help yet you seem fixated on the great wrongness of it all rather than accept the info given and help offered.

DCodd

Sambucus_Nigra wrote: »

Sigh. It's been going on for over 40 years, and believe me - people have asked questions!

Thatcher got rid of all the other ITBs - the CITB and ECITB were left as otherwise, the industry would do no training at all.

It's not based on sales, or profit - it's based on your PAYE and LOSC payments - and most companies will take the 1.5% out of payments to LOSC accordingly to compensate.

I've offered to help you on your calcs [I've been doing this 10 years], however if you don't want assistance, then you don't! Very odd.

Sambucus, all that we are doing is trying to establish what is right and what is wrong.

Just for the record, if you check accountingweb you will see that a number of main contractors have been successfully sued for deducting the 1.5% from LOSC so claiming it back from LOSC is not a legal option.

Sambucus_Nigra

DCodd wrote: »

Sambucus, all that we are doing is trying to establish what is right and what is wrong.

Just for the record, if you check accountingweb you will see that a number of main contractors have been successfully sued for deducting the 1.5% from LOSC so claiming it back from LOSC is not a legal option.

It is if it is in the original contract...it's when it is just simply taken off that is becomes an issue.