CITB Construction skills

DCodd

Lifeisbutadream wrote: »

So are plumbers except (as in plumbers subbying to other co's) or just plumbing co's??

Because if that is the case then I can wipe at least £30K off my subbies list.

To be honest I wouldn't want to say for sure but we are an M&E company and our subbies and payroll adds up to over £2.5m and we are not liable for the CITB levy. The majority of our workforce are plumbers and pipefitters with a sprinkling of Sparks.

This is why you need to take expert advice lifeis, it may be that the plumbers can be deducted from your calculation.

CITB are really not very forthcoming with a definative list of who is "in-scope" as they like to put it and who is not "in-scope".

Lifeisbutadream

DCodd wrote: »

To be honest I wouldn't want to say for sure but we are an M&E company and our subbies and payroll adds up to over £2.5m and we are not liable for the CITB levy. The majority of our workforce are plumbers and pipefitters with a sprinkling of Sparks.

This is why you need to take expert advice lifeis, it may be that the plumbers can be deducted from your calculation.

CITB are really not very forthcoming with a definative list of who is "in-scope" as they like to put it and who is not "in-scope".

Thanks.

I really really hope that is the case as we will be way below not including the plumbers. Getting rid of the sparkeys too that will leave me with less than £40K. I will look into it.

Thanks for your help and support throughout this thread (and others!). Sometimes I just need to rant :rotfl:

(even if that doesnt work I am still not paying it)

adr0ck

plumbers and sparkies are included

DCodd

adr0ck wrote: »

plumbers and sparkies are included

adrOck, can you show me where it says that plumbers are included please?

All the accounting websites and Government documents I have seen suggest that since plumbers, gas installers, ac installers etc are trained by other bodies and not the CITB that no CITB levy is required.

adr0ck

DCodd wrote: »

adrOck, can you show me where it says that plumbers are included please?

All the accounting websites and Government documents I have seen suggest that since plumbers, gas installers, ac installers etc are trained by other bodies and not the CITB that no CITB levy is required.

my understanding is if the company is a plumbing company or electrical company then they don't need to pay the levy

however if you are a building company and employ a sparkie or plumber then their wages count towards the amount of levy you will pay

have a look at this booklet

http://www.cskills.org/uploads/Levy-Booklet-2010_tcm17-18624.pdf

it doesn't answer question exactly but if you look at page 8 its talking about what should not be treated as labour only subbies and includes plumbers who supply materials (assumption being that if the plumber didn't supply materials then wages should bve included)

unfortuantly the citb seem to like to 'hide' who is and who isn't included

Lifeisbutadream

adr0ck wrote: »

my understanding is if the company is a plumbing company or electrical company then they don't need to pay the levy

however if you are a building company and employ a sparkie or plumber then their wages count towards the amount of levy you will pay

have a look at this booklet

http://www.cskills.org/uploads/Levy-Booklet-2010_tcm17-18624.pdf

it doesn't answer question exactly but if you look at page 8 its talking about what should not be treated as labour only subbies and includes plumbers who supply materials (assumption being that if the plumber didn't supply materials then wages should bve included)

unfortuantly the citb seem to like to 'hide' who is and who isn't included

Now looking at that has annoyed me as well.

When I got this 'levy return' I rang to ask what it was and said that I didnt have the figures as I hadnt done my tax return. The woman I spoke to was very 'blase' and said that it wasnt really important and that I should just put what I though.

SHe at no time said 'look at our website' or here is a booklet with a step by step guide.

As I said. Thieving, sneaky bar stewards.

Lifeisbutadream

Right now I am really confused.

'Labour only' does not actually mean 'labour only'

?????

Those examples are simply nothing like what we do? if we were doing up a house, we would contract a plumber, an electrician etc. but they would supply all their own materials, and use their own subbies where needed. I just then get an invoice for the final amout due. My figures were worked out using their labour 'costs'. Have I worked it out wrong?

adr0ck

Lifeisbutadream wrote: »

Right now I am really confused.

'Labour only' does not actually mean 'labour only'

?????

Those examples are simply nothing like what we do? if we were doing up a house, we would contract a plumber, an electrician etc. but they would supply all their own materials, and use their own subbies where needed. I just then get an invoice for the final amout due. My figures were worked out using their labour 'costs'. Have I worked it out wrong?

yes

only pay for subbies who do not supply materials

if subbies supply all or nearly all materials then their labour costs do not count

Lifeisbutadream

adr0ck wrote: »

yes

only pay for subbies who do not supply materials

if subbies supply all or nearly all materials then their labour costs do not count

Then I am fine then - the plumbers and sparkys just do their own thing.

SO it is at about £40K.

Yes! Fcuk you CITB!!!!

Sambucus_Nigra

adr0ck wrote: »

my understanding is if the company is a plumbing company or electrical company then they don't need to pay the levy

however if you are a building company and employ a sparkie or plumber then their wages count towards the amount of levy you will pay

have a look at this booklet

http://www.cskills.org/uploads/Levy-Booklet-2010_tcm17-18624.pdf

it doesn't answer question exactly but if you look at page 8 its talking about what should not be treated as labour only subbies and includes plumbers who supply materials (assumption being that if the plumber didn't supply materials then wages should bve included)

unfortuantly the citb seem to like to 'hide' who is and who isn't included

They hide alot of things, which is why people like me who used to work for them and know the rules, come into play