Should I Become a Wage-Slave or Not?

Martynb_

Jowo wrote: »

My original question back to the OP is "what is your proposed third option if you don't enjoy being on benefits and don't want to be a wage slave? What is your alternative proposal if you wish to come off benefits but can't find yousrelf a well paid interesting job?"

The following response doesn't sound like much of an active, structured plan to me.



I'm sure the OP appreciates that the government and its representatives at the job centre don't give a hoot about his desire for job satisfaction and his fear about negative relationship with other employees. They simply feel that those who can work do work.

Yes. I am aware of that.

Martynb_

jennyfive wrote: »

Have you considered going into further training or education? Then you might be able to get into a job that would be more your cup of tea? The Job Centre would probably be happy with you doing that and you'd possibly be entitled to grants/loans/bursaries depending on your circumstances. Maybe look at the big picture - if you don't see yourself being happy in this job but you need it for the money then look on it as a means to an end - a way of getting money and experience which could lead to better things. All the time you have this job you can be looking for another that's better. As people say, it's usually easier to get a job when you already have one.

I spent three years in a job like you're describing so I can understand your trepidation. I actually left it without another job to go to, I was that miserable, then I applied to study at college... spent two years studying something I loved (music) and actually ended up with a job working for the college, in a place where I feel respected (jobs where the employer respects you do exist!).

In my experience, the Job Centre are never happy when you say that you're going into training.

I'd rather not be in a job than be in a job and finding out that I will be homeless because I cannot afford the rent.

Martynb_

Needhelpsaving wrote: »

To be fair, it sounds like you have talked yourself out of the job. But you could use it as an opportunity to move on; I don't mean within MD's but you could get some experience and it will look better on your CV when you apply for other roles that you feel are more suitable.

In essence, use it as a stepping stone as a lot of people lose their confidence when they have been out of work and/or employers stigmatise people who have been out of work for long periods (from experience in recruiting) as they don't think they will last.

It may not be what you want long term, but it could be a hidden opportunity for you to get where you want to go.

But that's not going to bring bread to the table. It's all very well saying that I could use it as an opportunity to move onto another job. But when the job puts you into debt it's a whole different story. It would be foolish. I'm not going to do foolish. I'd like to keep a roof over my head.

MrsE_2

Martynb_ wrote: »

But that's not going to bring bread to the table. It's all very well saying that I could use it as an opportunity to move onto another job. But when the job puts you into debt it's a whole different story. It would be foolish. I'm not going to do foolish. I'd like to keep a roof over my head.

You're not bringing bread to your table & you're not putting a roof over your head though are you.

You & thousands like you are whats wrong with our benefits system.

You are nannied to the point where you would rather remain on benefits than work & pay your own way.......
You are like a spoon fed baby.

Martynb_

MrsE wrote: »

You're not bringing bread to your table & you're not putting a roof over your head though are you.

You & thousands like you are whats wrong with our benefits system.

You are nannied to the point where you would rather remain on benefits than work & pay your own way.......
You are like a spoon fed baby.

I think you're trying an ad hominem on me.

Well done. You're not clever.

The point I was making is that doing a job for less money won't bring money in to keep the roof over my head. I'm well aware that I'm not earning a wage, and I don't need you to remind me.

Now. Take the chip off your shoulder.

MrsE_2

Martynb_ wrote: »

I think you're trying an ad hominem on me.

Well done. You're not clever.

The point I was making is that doing a job for less money won't bring money in to keep the roof over my head. I'm well aware that I'm not earning a wage, and I don't need you to remind me.

Now. Take the chip off your shoulder.

When you get your hands off my hard earned wage;)

Blobby8_2

Good lord Mrs E now they want to take your last chip

thorsoak

Martynb_ wrote: »

Because I wanted advice.

My advice to you? You are young. Take the trial, then take the job. Don't agonise over it and don't analyse it - just do it.

You might not be averse to staying on benefits - but you may well find that within the next few years there will be no benefits for you.

I'm 68 - and in the past I've worked at jobs I've loved, I've worked at jobs I've hated - but why? BECAUSE WE NEEDED THE MONEY! Needs must when the devil drives!

no-oneknowsme

Martynb_ wrote: »

I don't dislike being on benefits. I have loads of free time, and stress is minimised so I am enjoying better health. I do wish to come off benefits but there has to be an incentive. I'm not a robot.

Are you expecting us to believe you actually have any intention of taking this job ?

Seems you are "going through the motions" so you dont lose your JSA. Hopefully the job will go to some-one who is more deserving of it...maybe even someone who doesnt make comments such as the one above !

Martynb_

no-oneknowsme wrote: »

Are you expecting us to believe you actually have any intention of taking this job ?

Seems you are "going through the motions" so you dont lose your JSA. Hopefully the job will go to some-one who is more deserving of it...maybe even someone who doesnt make comments such as the one above !

I'm split between taking it and not taking it. How's that?

And what qualifies a person as someone who is "more deserving" than myself? I'll answer that for you! Perhaps someone who has just left school and still lives at home, has no rent, council tax, water rates, elctric bills to pay?