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Ratting on benefit cheats
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krisskross wrote: »Another thing I find totally incomprehensible is that when people are found to have commited benefit fraud they are still allowed to carry on claiming. There should be a minimum 3 month sanction on any benefit claiming if someone is found to have claimed fraudulently.
This is largely already in place - in *addition* to repayment and/or other administrative penalty, there's a 4-week no benefits sanction for even a first offence of benefit fraud. If a claimant commits two frauds within five years, it's a 13-week sanction.
These are known as One Strike and Two Strike sanctions.
The benefits regime is simply not as easy as you think it is.0 -
krisskross wrote: »I will correct your misapprehension about sticking our noses into other people's business. If I suspect that someone is claiming public money that they are not entitled to then it becomes my business.
We should all be concerned about this fraud. TBH when someone shouts really loudly about nosey parkers etc it just makes me wonder what they themselves have to hide or worry about.
lol Why because someone dare point out to you that maybe [shock horror] you don't have all your facts on these people and that your admit but your happy to report them any way? I'm thinking you need a hobby to get yourself out of other people's life's so much.
And if you were meaning myself or any one else on here in regards to having something to hide? well sorry to be a kill joy but sadly no not me but you can always accuse me and others because after all you don't have your facts and it's what you do best, RIGHT?
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I agree that people should have the facts.
I do not agree that it is not their business.(AKA HRH_MUngo)
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A damn site more money is wasted by DWP mistakes and error than benefit fraud, but i dont see people kicking up a stink about it...[greenhighlight]but it matters when the most senior politician in the land is happy to use language and examples that are simply not true.
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The impact of this is to stigmatise people on benefits,
and we should be deeply worried about that[/redtitle](house of lords debate, talking about Cameron)0 -
moonbeam2007 wrote: »lol Why because someone dare point out to you that maybe [shock horror] you don't have all your facts on these people and that your admit but your happy to report them any way? I'm thinking you need a hobby to get yourself out of other people's life's so much.
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krisskross wrote: »Which erudite newspaper do you subscribe to?
I don't think she understands the question, I have already asked this and got no response.moonbeam2007 wrote: »Yes and you know this for a fact?? seen their post? read their doctors files? yeah of course you do :rotfl:
You don't know what I do for a living
Or what my neighbours have told me.A damn site more money is wasted by DWP mistakes and error than benefit fraud, but i dont see people kicking up a stink about it...
We have covered this point - do read the whole thread.0 -
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And this is the whole point, isn't it? You "suspect," you don't know for sure, you only suspect. That is not a basis for reporting someone, to have the DWP turn their lives upside down.krisskross wrote: »I will correct your misapprehension about sticking our noses into other people's business. If I suspect that someone is claiming public money that they are not entitled to then it becomes my business. It should be the business of all of us. The more that is paid to fraudulent claimants then less remains for genuine people. If all claimants were told they were going to have a 10% reduction in their payments to balance the books because of fraudulent claims i bet they would be looking for fraud to be stamped out.
We should all be concerned about this fraud. TBH when someone shouts really loudly about nosey parkers etc it just makes me wonder what they themselves have to hide or worry about.The greater danger, for most of us, lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low and achieving our mark0 -
Here's an article in the Guardian where the journalist reports on DWP employees who investigate suspected benefit claims. Some of the fraud team are actually sympathetic to the fraudsters - Staff admit that a large proportion of people who commit fraud are not motivated by greed, but do it because they are struggling.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/feb/01/benefits-fraud-investigators?
Very interesting (and long) article, illustrates clearly how a false or malicious accusation can ruin a life
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