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Flyboy152

IronWolf wrote: »

Not true at all, you only have to look at Greek bonds before they were bailed out and after (with the severe spending cuts).

You mean those junk bonds everyone was talking about a year ago? What were the long and short prices in Greece before and after the recession?

TheMoneySpider

Jennifer_Jane wrote: »

You did, didn't you? No, surely you couldn't have.

Can only judge you on your post. I think Ed Balls is a pretty formidable character...absolutely destroyed Gove at every opportunity when he was Shadowing him.

On the economy he generally makes a pretty compelling argument (especially given the last quarter's growth figures). He instills more confidence than Osborne. Surely Clarke or Cable would have been a better option then him

Graham_Devon

TheMoneySpider wrote: »

Can only judge you on your post. I think Ed Balls is a pretty formidable character...absolutely destroyed Gove at every opportunity when he was Shadowing him.

On the economy he generally makes a pretty compelling argument (especially given the last quarter's growth figures). He instills more confidence than Osborne. Surely Clarke or Cable would have been a better option then him

Oh come on, the man got owned by the female presenter on BBC Breakfast.

The only place he looks reasonably good, though still gurning like a loon whenever he lies, and moving back to a straight face when he's actually using facts, is on the Andrew Marr show...or possibly a labour conference.

Would love to see him up against Paxman, but doubt balls would be willing to take his there.

Give me Burnham, Johnson, or Darling any day over this guy. At least they do discuss rather than simply attack continuously.

As for Gove, everyone destroys that pompous little idiot. Nothing to write home about.

ILW

I have little interest in MPs TV performance, I do believe results are much more important.

Jennifer_Jane

TheMoneySpider wrote: »

Can only judge you on your post. I think Ed Balls is a pretty formidable character...absolutely destroyed Gove at every opportunity when he was Shadowing him.

On the economy he generally makes a pretty compelling argument (especially given the last quarter's growth figures). He instills more confidence than Osborne. Surely Clarke or Cable would have been a better option then him

'Formidable character'? Some say 'Bully boy'.

Gove is easily destroyed as a person, that is true. It doesn't make Balls a better person, nor a better politician, it just shows him to be aggressive. As it happens, I like what the Coalition are trying to achieve with education. I believe Gove to be a sincere person, but rather too sensitive.

By the way - an interesting debate going on in Parliament as I write, on the Health and Social Care Bill at Second Reading. I have to admit, that whilst I applaud reform of the NHS, I'm also a little worried that this is the thin end of the wedge towards private healthcare rather than free at point of care.

lynzpower

ILW wrote: »

Chucking more money at the public sector does not avoid recession.

Constantly overspending does eventually.

What about chucking money at the private sector? Might that help?

TheMoneySpider

lynzpower wrote: »

What about chucking money at the private sector? Might that help?

I thought that was the whole point of this NHS re-organisation.

Graham_Devon

TheMoneySpider wrote: »

I thought that was the whole point of this NHS re-organisation.

Think she means new money. Stuff like scrappage schemes etc.

Not sure where the money will come from for it, borrowing I guess.

As we've witnessed though, it just puts the price up for everyone if you chuck money at the private sector, as the incentive to undercut the compeition is gone.

wherediditallgothen

lynzpower wrote: »

What about chucking money at the private sector? Might that help?

Or by letting the private sector keep more of the money it makes?

tomterm8

Jennifer_Jane wrote: »

By the way - an interesting debate going on in Parliament as I write, on the Health and Social Care Bill at Second Reading. I have to admit, that whilst I applaud reform of the NHS, I'm also a little worried that this is the thin end of the wedge towards private healthcare rather than free at point of care.

I don't think the NHS changes are all that revolutionary. We have always had private health care provision in the UK... most GPs , dentists and so on are private companies, as are drug companies. The basic changes go in the same direction that labour policy was already going in, but in a slightly more sensible way and are basically a good idea.