Shameless labour

ILW

Rochdale_Pioneers wrote: »

What about them? Should we abuse and persecute the disabled because there are a few fakers?

By weeding out the fakers (and would suggest there are more than a few), it should be possible to pay more to the truly needy.

Degenerate

ILW wrote: »

The point is that the new system appears to be a lot more rigorous.

It could be that the old system rejected just as high a proportion of applicants, there were no points for comparison in that press release. Anyway, if it is so much more rigorous, what would that have to do with "Shameless Labour", since the reforms and these statistics both date back to the last Goverment?

That press release is basically just a Tory minister trying to use some random statistics to spin their policy.

Degenerate

ILW wrote: »

What about the bad back brigade?
It is well known that doctors in many areas of high unemployment were signing off their clients as unfit for work when there was very little wrong with them, but the doctors saw it as doing them a favour.

That's more a reflection on the difficulty of diagnosing back problems. Many genuine problems show little or nothing on X-rays and there is no scientific way to measure pain. Most doctors will err on the side of believing the patient.

ILW

Degenerate wrote: »

That's more a reflection on the difficulty of diagnosing back problems. Many genuine problems show little or nothing on X-rays and there is no scientific way to measure pain. Most doctors will err on the side of believing the patient.

many patients know that and take advantage of it.

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

Wookster wrote: »

I am so sick of seeing ed ball on TV glibly blaming the Tories for all the nation's woes.

All Labour can ever think about is tax and spend and if you don't have the money, never mind, just spend it anyway.

It's only been 6 months but I'm already sick of listening to the Tories blame the Unions for !!!!!! storm that this Tory led government has brought upon us.

28 January 2011 Last updated at 18:49

Unions are 'forces of stagnation,' says Osborne


The Chancellor has said he is as determined to fight "the forces of stagnation", including the unions, as he is to tackle the budget deficit.

The only forces of stagnation in Britain are this pathetic excuse for a govenment.

If the Tories think people are dumb enough to believe that the Unions are to blame for this mess, they need to think again.

There have been 40 polls since the beginning of December. Every single one of them has the Labour Party in the lead.

This pathetic coaliton no longer has the support of the people and if they carry on the way they are going there will be rioting on the streets.

If you think think people will put up with this Tory rubbish while the bankers and the establishment make off with billions, think again! The Tories need to be very careful that they don't light the touchpaper......

IronWolf

BACKFRMTHEEDGE wrote: »

It's only been 6 months but I'm already sick of listening to the Tories blame the Unions for !!!!!! storm that this Tory led government has brought upon us.

The only forces of stagnation in Britain are this pathetic excuse for a govenment.

If the Tories think people are dumb enough to believe that the Unions are to blame for this mess, they need to think again.

There have been 40 polls since the beginning of December. Every single one of them has the Labour Party in the lead.

This pathetic coaliton no longer has the support of the people and if they carry on the way they are going there will be rioting on the streets.

If you think think people will put up with this Tory rubbish while the bankers and the establishment make off with billions, think again! The Tories need to be very careful that they don't light the touchpaper......

anyone that changes their vote from Tory to Labour because of the cuts is a complete moron, this is exactly what they pledged to do during the election, and its what the country voted for.

asc99c

Unfortunately, that was always a danger. If you keep your focus on the here and now, it always looks good when Labour is in power. Unfortunately so many people don't seem to see the problem when we were spending way beyond our means and just running up ever more debt.

Rochdale_Pioneers

People had started to believe the spin that we were in danger of going bankrupt. As the second recession bites, and as we watch all our competitors power away AND reduce their debt as ours increases, people will start to ask if that nice Mr Cameron wasn't talking cobblers after all

Wookster

Rochdale_Pioneers wrote: »

What about them? Should we abuse and persecute the disabled because there are a few fakers?

Just have a look at these articles here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/nov/24/young-british-claim-disability-benefits

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1552073/Disability-benefit-costs-double-as-fraud-soars.html

2.9 Million people on DLA on a population of 70M. That's 4.5% of the population, probably 10% of the working population.

It is absolute madness to think that 10% of the working population can reasonably be unfit to work. Labour had the chance to do something about this, all during I might add, a golden economy time.

Now, because we are broke, tough decisions have to be made and have to be made in a time when its going to be much harder for affected people to find work. Had gordon spent a bit less in the boom time then perhaps the tough choices could have been put off but he went made with the nation's credit card.

Another example of Labour's shameless short sightedness.

Wookster

Rochdale_Pioneers wrote: »

People had started to believe the spin that we were in danger of going bankrupt. As the second recession bites, and as we watch all our competitors power away AND reduce their debt as ours increases, people will start to ask if that nice Mr Cameron wasn't talking cobblers after all

Did you see events across the water in Greece? In Ireland? What went wrong there?

At what stage do you think the UK would have needed to deal with the deficit?