Shameless labour

Graham_Devon

322 posts.

Has anyone yet answered the question about what labour would do?

And I don't mean with the answer "well they wouldnt do what the tories have".

Genuinely interested, as it seems until thats answered, no one can really move on.

Generali

Graham_Devon wrote: »

322 posts.

Has anyone yet answered the question about what labour would do?

And I don't mean with the answer "well they wouldnt do what the tories have".

Genuinely interested, as it seems until thats answered, no one can really move on.

They are reluctant, as more recent oppositions have been, to specify what they would do.

In the specific case of the budget deficit where all parties stood on platforms of cutting the absolute deficit and the deficit relative to GDP, it is possibly disingenuous for Labour to oppose every cut without offering up any of their own.

StevieJ

Graham_Devon wrote: »

322 posts.

Has anyone yet answered the question about what labour would do?

And I don't mean with the answer "well they wouldnt do what the tories have".

Genuinely interested, as it seems until thats answered, no one can really move on.

What is the point, the LibDems told us what they would do

[SIZE=+1]Brandy for the Parson, 'Baccy for the Clerk.
Them that asks no questions isn't told a lie [/SIZE]

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Graham_Devon

StevieJ wrote: »

What is the point, the LibDems told us what they would do

The point is to stop the endless circles.

The point, is to discuss all these wonderful theories that labour would have done so much better.

They remain simply theories and mere guesses without a description of HOW they would have done better.

No ones answering, as no one knows, but all people want to do is keep slamming another party.

The problem is, we can't move on from simply slamming another party, when the party who's doing the slamming simply refuses to offer any alternative or any suggestion on, well, anything.

All they seem to offer up is spending to create growth. But that's all we get. Spending where, how? Where does the money actually come from to spend in the first place? Anyone asks any labour politician or supporter this, and it's back to slamming the tories.

tomterm8

Generali wrote: »

In the specific case of the budget deficit where all parties stood on platforms of cutting the absolute deficit and the deficit relative to GDP, it is possibly disingenuous for Labour to oppose every cut without offering up any of their own.

That's the same with all the parties. Did the conservatives give detailed information on what they were going to cut before the election? Of course not.

The only party that gave us anything like detailed plans was... the liberal democrats... and only then because they didn't believe there was the slightest possibility of having to keep them up. The second they got into government, the plans were thrown out of the window with great force.

I got really irritated during the last election campaign because the political argument was worse than one at a primary school. No one was willing to trust the UK public with the truth. If they wouldn't give us this info before the election, why should they give it after it, when it doesn't matter any more?

lynzpower

Graham_Devon wrote: »

322 posts.

Has anyone yet answered the question about what labour would do?

And I don't mean with the answer "well they wouldnt do what the tories have".

Genuinely interested, as it seems until thats answered, no one can really move on.

<H2>After Cameron & Osborne’s reckless gamble, 2011 is a critical year for British economy

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2011 is a critical year for Britain’s economy and public services, and the coming weeks and months will tell us whether David Cameron and George Osborne’s reckless gamble has worked. With no plan for jobs and growth, they have instead staked the whole future of the economy on one card – the fastest, deepest deficit reduction plan in Britain’s peacetime history.
They inherited an economy which was beginning to recover strongly, with unemployment falling, interest rates at historic lows, and the public finances better than the Treasury’s forecasts. Britain had weathered the first economic storm and was on track for jobs, growth and – with tough choices on spending, tax and supporting growth – we were on a credible and sustainable path to deficit reduction.
The Tory-led government has deliberately and needlessly taken Britain down a different path with cuts that go too far and too fast, and tax rises which directly hit family budgets. They have cut jobs programmes, withdrawn government investment from the economy, raised VAT, and cut government support to millions of families. And in the autumn – before the impact of these measures had even begun – George Osborne and David Cameron boasted that their gamble had already succeeded and that strong growth was secure.
Instead, we are now starting to see the real consequences of their decisions: unemployment now rising, economic growth forecast to slow, mortgage lending at a 20 year low, and tax revenues falling. Over the coming months, as the impact of the VAT rise, deep spending cuts and rising inflation starts to hit home, we will be able to gauge the true impact of the Tory economic plan, and see whether their gamble has worked. If they are proved wrong and growth is slow this year, it is millions of ordinary workers, families and homeowners who will pay the price.
Labour’s alternative plan would put jobs and growth first. Instead of doing backroom deals with the banks on the disclosure of their pay, we would apply the bank bonus tax again. It brought in £3.5 billion last year which could be used this year to help create the jobs and growth we need.
The lesson of history is that good economics is good politics. But when Chancellors put political ideology or expediency before economic logic, the country pays a heavy price. This Tory Chancellor and this Tory-led government are repeating the mistakes of the 1930s and 1980s, but they just keep ploughing on. They had a choice about which path to go down, and it is already becoming clear they have made the wrong choice.
It is not too late to change course. It is not too late for an alternative. And if they do not provide it to the British people, Ed Miliband and I will. Of course we do not oppose every cut, but the Tory-led government is cutting too far too fast. And over the coming weeks and months, we will hold them to account for the reckless gamble they have taken, and the historic mistake they have made.

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Graham_Devon

lynzpower wrote: »

</H2>http://www.edballs4labour.org/blog/?p=1389

Labour’s alternative plan would put jobs and growth first. Instead of doing backroom deals with the banks on the disclosure of their pay, we would apply the bank bonus tax again. It brought in £3.5 billion last year which could be used this year to help create the jobs and growth we need.

So thats it?

IronWolf

lol £3.5bn, thats gonna do f all.

lynzpower

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2011/01/economic-growth-deficit-public

A good place to start I think

StevieJ

Graham_Devon wrote: »

The problem is, we can't move on from simply slamming another party, when the party who's doing the slamming simply refuses to offer any alternative or any suggestion on, well, anything.
.

What about all the crap about how the Tories would have swerved the great recession, built up pension fund like the Norwegians and had a positive balance of payments higher than Mt Everest, if only they had been in power since 1997