TV on wall

tbs624

POyouail wrote: »

If you offered to have the holes in the wall professionally filled and decorated at the end of your tenancy your landlord might change their mind.

I think the OP has already made that suggestion but to no avail.

julie03

what about one of these http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/50144732

Old_Tug

julie03 wrote: »

what about one of these

Thanks Julie. That actually looks quite nice and, more importantly, stable.

Might be a bit big for the room, but certainly something to look at.

I am going to try to speak with some TV stores tomorrow to get advice on what is the best way to proceed.

EDIT: Sorry, I wasn't allowed to include the link in the quote.

Owain_Moneysaver

If landlord won't allow telly on the lounge wall (and I can see both sides ...) would he allow it in another room where, if there are any holes, the wardrobe can be moved in front of them?

Looking at telly stands/trolleys as used in schools might be an alternative eg this looks pretty robust. This one can be (has to be?) screwed to the floor - would the landlord accept that?

Pookielydia

Old_Tug wrote: »

I did offer to have everything fixed up professionally but he still said no.

If I can't do this I don't see the point of the clause saying that "permission will not be withheld unreasonably".

It is inherent in putting a hole in the wall that it will never quite look the same, so if that can be used as a reasonable way to withhold permissions they can just veto anything.

It seems to me to be identical to me saying that you need written permission to use my car, which won't be withheld unreasonably, and then saying that you can't borrow it because the tyres will never look the same, and claiming that is a reasonable reason to refuse.

I have to agree with most of the above, if you offer to have everything fixed up professionally then there should be no problem whatsoever, because a professional person would easily be able to fill a few holes in a wall and/or replaster part of a wall and make it look perfect, I know this from experience so your right.

And I also agree that putting a hole in the wall when a landlord would claim it will never look the same again, actually it would! Once the holes are filled in professionally and the wall repainted or wallpapered over you wouldn't be able to tell any difference as to how the wall was before the holes were made.

Old_Tug wrote: »

I appreciate your opinion, but why is it "landlord rules"?

Aren't we equal parties in a contract? If I decide to go ahead and put the TV on the wall, and he decides to evict me, doesn't he have to go to court and prove that I have breached the contract, and wouldn't that involve him convincing the court that he withheld permission reasonably?

Perhaps he would be able to do that, but surely it isn't just the case that he can make up the rules.

Indeed you are equal parties in the contract, the only difference is you don't own the house and the landlord does so as maddening as it the landlord does have the trump card, that is the only difference though and if your paying rent then I personally think you are entitled to put a television on the wall if you so wish IF the wall is strong enough to hold the TV, if not then obviously you wouldn't bother.

I also don't agree that the landlord can make up all the rules either, simply based on the fact that if they could they'd be telling you what clothes to wear in their house, what food you can eat in their house, what type of furniture you can have in their house and that they would be choosing it and so on and so forth, you see where I'm going here? A lot of the rules and regulations are a joke and extremely petty! Where as SOME are reasonable and should be enforced.

lucylucky wrote: »

It is his property and he can put certain stipulations into any contract, within reason. (And yes I think this is reasonable) If you put up a bracket and it is written into the contract that you should not then it would be remarkably easy to prove that you have indeed broken the contract and you would be wholly in the wrong

But as stated below it isn't written into the contract that the tenant can't put anything on the wall, it just sounds like a landlord being petty.

Old_Tug wrote: »

I appreciate that, but the contract doesn't say that I can't put anything on the wall, it says that I can't do so without permission and that permission won't be withheld unreasonably.

Old_Tug wrote: »

I don't accept the position that the landlord can just decide whatever he wants.

We have a contract which we both have to abide by.

If the contract says that he can't withhold permission unreasonably, then he needs to be able to show that it was reasonable, not just that he decided that it was unreasonable.

The last clause in the contract doesn't say "the landlord can ignore everything above, because it is his property".

That said, the whole point of putting it on the wall was safety. If it turns out that it is actually safer to put it on a stand, then I will do that.

Nor would I accept that the landlord can just decide whatever they want because as you quite rightly point out you both have a contract you both have to abide by, and if the contract does say that he can't withhold permission unreasonably then he can't, but there's a BUT I myself have 2 children and I wouldn't risk putting/having a heavy TV put on the wall professionally or otherwise due to this scenario say I was in the kitchen making a drink and the kids were playing in the room on the rug in front of the TV and the TV fell on their head, nothing you could do about it and it will have happened BUT if you didn't have it on the wall in the 1st place (obviously you can choose to if you wish) it can't fall and you know no accidents involving the TV will ever happen and if they do at least no children will be harmed or at worst killed!

Old_Tug wrote: »

If, however, it is safer to put it on the wall, then I will do that, no question about it, the safety of my child is at stake.

As you say your childs safety is at stake so best to be safe than sorry as there is no way you can know if that TV will ever fall off the wall.

Loanranger wrote: »

Here's the thing, it really doesn't matter what you think Old Tug, the LL owns the property and he has refused permission. Why are you arguing the toss about it here? No one here is your LL and everyone has given you advice yet still you are arguing.
Your options:
1. Buy your own property
2. Buy a smaller tv.

He shouldn't have to buy a smaller TV or buy his own property, I have no idea why landlords act the way they do but they do, come on common sense says IF a tenant WILL get the wall repaired/holes filled in to a professional standard which will make it the same or in a better state it was in to start with what really is the problem?

Old_Tug wrote: »

A hotel owner owns the hotel, does that mean that they can breach their contract with you and tell you to buy your own hotel if you don't like it?

In a word they could but won't because they aren't as petty as landlords, I mean I stayed in a 4 star hotel only a month and a half ago costing enough!

And some of the things I expected and what should have been done weren't so the manager said next time I stay I can pay the same amount I did last time and I would be upgraded free to a penthouse suite with early check-in and early check-out and I only stayed for 1 night! That's how much they appreciate your custom, where as some landlords don't care they'll just get another tenant when you go and still line their pockets with money while deciding what you can and can't do which I disagree with as when you rent a property as long as you are paying to LIVE there I believe you should be able to LIVE....

tbs624 wrote: »

If the T is within his fixed term then *no* court is going to award the LL repossession of theproperty n the grounds that he that he breached his tenancy agreement by putting some screws in the wall to mount his telly.

Exactly.

dizziblonde

Cripes - he's said no, he's given you a reason... deal with it! You rock the boat too much - he's going to want you out for the fuss you're making.

There is no way on this planet I'd trust wall-mounting something that cost the amount of money our telly did to be honest, it's a fad I hate, and there's no way I'd trust any of the walls in the houses in this street (including my old rented house) to take the weight of one. With most of them being put up by dads with drills as well - I'm amazed there aren't more that take a tumble off the wall. (Also I just hate the whole telly being the massive dominating focal point of a room but that's just me - ours is tucked away in a corner)

22225

would the landlord be allowed to mention things like this in any future reference?

lucylucky

22225 wrote: »

would the landlord be allowed to mention things like this in any future reference?

I don't see why not.

OP agrees contract with LL and then breaks it. Seems worth mentioning if asked.

OP - have you costed the fitting of a wall bracket, removal, re-plastering and repainting the room?

The LL may think you doing the above, and paying for it, acceptable

hazyjo

I really don't know why you'd want the telly on the wall if you're only going to be there for six months or so.

Surely it has to be safer on a lower stand than on a wall. The sheer concept of gravity dictates that, doesn't it? Drop something from a greater height, it'll do more damage to what's underneath it.

You won't be able to channel the cables into the wall, so surely any child is more likely to be pulling cables trailing down a wall than those hidden behind a telly on a stand. If you're worried about your child knocking the telly off the stand, maybe there are more secure stand options, or you'll just have to not allow your child in that room unsupervised.

I'm sure you can put up with an oversized telly in a small room for six months. Don't you need a future reference from your LL?

Don't really understand your hotel quote ("A hotel owner owns the hotel, does that mean that they can breach their contract with you and tell you to buy your own hotel if you don't like it?"). What's that got to do with anything? Actually, a hotel owner would just boot you out if you tried to change something in their hotel, surely. What if you wanted to stick a plasma telly on the wall of a room you'd paid to stay in a few weeks. What if you said you'd make good any damage? Think we know where they'd be sticking that plasma...

If you're going to do it anyway, really don't know why you bothered asking what others thought.

Starting to wonder if this is our wonderful Mr Jones about to take on a new guise. I remember there being a thread saying something along the lines of 'I'm about to sell a property but the only way to get the large upstairs furniture downstairs is to cut off a section of the bannister. Would I be able to just glue it back on, or should I leave say £20 for repairs?' Everyone went ballistic and then Mr Jones appeared on the 'campervan' thread. Might be for real, but it's taking on a similar feel now!

Jx

getmore4less

julie03 wrote: »

what about one of these http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/50144732

getmore4less wrote: »

get a floor based cantilever stand or build a false wall and mount it in that

tattycath wrote: »

:j Brilliant idea-thanks. We're looking into putting our tv on the wall-didn't know you could get floor standing cantilever units.
Are they sturdy and stable please?

Ikea have quite a few solutions.

We have an wide low IKEA AV unit and have ben looking for something to mount the TV higher but not attached to the wall.

Somethng that the base will go under the AV unit and can have the uprights hidden.

A lot come with a base cabinet or shelves something like this(no connection just a search)
http://www.theplasmacentre.com/product_details.php?products_id=8588&cpgn=8&icid=I163-2919708-020N

ones without any shelves or base are quite rare.

Quite like this one and it might do us but wrong colour
http://www.tvstands2u.co.uk/c/TV-Stands-by-Type/Cantilever-TV-Stands/p/Iconic-UKGL-510-Walnut-TV-Stand-for-up-to-52-TVs-UKGL510W/#

this looks OK if the shelves can be left of
http://www.big-av.co.uk/acatalog/abk111.html

In the mean time we stand the TV on top of the AV unit £150+ stays in the bank.