TV on wall

Sammy85_2

As a landlord i wouldnt take the risk either.

I know if you tried to screw something into my wall like a TV bracket supporting a 22kg TV it would fall out and take a good chunk of plaster with it unless you put massive wood bars in first to spread the load over a wider area, which would cause alot of damage when its removed.

I wouldnt take that kind of risk in my own home with a small child in the house, let alone in one of my rental properties.

You just need to accept that the decision rests with your landlord, whatever reason he gives you. I suspect if you went to court for whatever reason because of this a whole list of "reasonable" reasons for his refusal could be produced.


How about putting your TV on a stand and strapping it down to it? Not ideal space wise but it is the safest option short of buying a smaller telly, and safety should be your primary issue where this is concerned.

BitterAndTwisted

It's the landlord's property and if they have declined to give you permission then that's that. It doesn't matter whether you think that the permission has been withheld unreasonably, it's not your property that you'd be damaging. If you go against your landlord's wishes you'd deserve to be evicted.

Old_Tug

BitterAndTwisted wrote: »

It's the landlord's property and if they have declined to give you permission then that's that. It doesn't matter whether you think that the permission has been withheld unreasonably, it's not your property that you'd be damaging. If you go against your landlord's wishes you'd deserve to be evicted.

Surely a matter for the courts to decide, if it really came down to that.

I don't accept the position that the landlord can just decide whatever he wants. We have a contract which we both have to abide by. If the contract says that he can't withhold permission unreasonably, then he needs to be able to show that it was reasonable, not just that he decided that it was unreasonable. The last clause in the contract doesn't say "the landlord can ignore everything above, because it is his property".

That said, the whole point of putting it on the wall was safety. If it turns out that it is actually safer to put it on a stand, then I will do that.

If, however, it is safer to put it on the wall, then I will do that, no question about it, the safety of my child is at stake.

I won't tell the landlord that I have done it and, perhaps he won't find out until I move out.

If he does find out before, then he can decide whether it is worth his while to try to get me evicted. He certainly hasn't mentioned health and safety as a concern, only how the wall will end up looking. If that is all he is concerned about then, I suggest, he is better off just getting me to pay for any damage to be fixed.

I will go with the safest option, regardless of any consequences with the landlord.

Loanranger

Here's the thing, it really doesn't matter what you think Old Tug, the LL owns the property and he has refused permission. Why are you arguing the toss about it here? No one here is your LL and everyone has given you advice yet still you are arguing.
Your options:
1. Buy your own property
2. Buy a smaller tv.

Old_Tug

Loanranger wrote: »

Here's the thing, it really doesn't matter what you think Old Tug, the LL owns the property and he has refused permission. Why are you arguing the toss about it here? No one here is your LL and everyone has given you advice yet still you are arguing.
Your options:
1. Buy your own property
2. Buy a smaller tv.

I don't want to bicker, but it is not about who owns the property. It is about what we have contractually agreed.

A hotel owner owns the hotel, does that mean that they can breach their contract with you and tell you to buy your own hotel if you don't like it?

There is a third option which, if the wall is the safest option, I will take.

The landlord can then decide to do whatever he wants.

Oh, and as this is a public forum, I'll post what I like if you don't mind. I know that I am not in agreement with most people here, but I am not being offensive to anyone. So what concern is it of yours if I continue to post?

EDIT: Oh, and another thing. I would suspect that rather than trying to evict me, he would just give me notice following the first 6 months. That should be much easier. If he chose to, I would just get another place.

clutton_2

""I won't tell the landlord that I have done it and, perhaps he won't find out until I move out.""

so you dont think he might see it on the wall when he comes to do the inspection ?

had you not considered that the LL (who owns and had probably worked on this house before you came into his life) already knows that the wall may simply not be strong enough.

It seems to me that you have become rather entrapped in the "contractual" arguement and have lost sight of the safety arguement.

Whatever you think... the LL does not have to agree.. he has not agreed.. end of .. sorry and all that.

There are small teles offered for free on freecycle every day - give it a go

Old_Tug

clutton wrote: »

so you dont think he might see it on the wall when he comes to do the inspection ?

I suppose that depends when he does the inspection. I am only planning to be in the property for 6-8 months.

clutton wrote: »

Whatever you think... the LL does not have to agree.. he has not agreed.. end of .. sorry and all that.

Appreciate your opinion clutton, but I don't consider that to be "end of".

My take on it is that I can do it, and then he can decide on what action he wants to take. If he wants to give notice, suits me. If he wants to take be to court to evict me earlier, suits me.

I would expect the earliest inspection to me in 3 months, and then any court proceedings to evict me would take a while I reckon. By which time I would be ready to leave anyway.

Not that I want to be a troublesome tenant, and I will strive to be a good one. But, if the wall is the safest option (which I will be investigating, because I may have jumped to the wrong conclusion), I won't put the safety of my child at risk...end of.

noh

Obviously the safest option is not to have the TV in the flat at all then it can't fall on anyone.
If you want it on the wall just do it. It probably will end up with you being asked to leave at the end of your 6 month tenancy and some of your deposit witheld. If you are prepared to accept that then no problem.

Old_Tug

noh wrote: »

Obviously the safest option is not to have the TV in the flat at all then it can't fall on anyone.

Yes, but then how do I watch Corrie?

noh wrote: »

If you want it on the wall just do it. It probably will end up with you being asked to leave at the end of your 6 month tenancy and some of your deposit witheld. If you are prepared to accept that then no problem.

Yes, that is pretty much what I think and I am more than prepared to pay to have any damage repaired.

I may try to get some kind of professional advice on what is the safest option. If the landlord is concerned about safety and it turns out that a professional says that wall mounted would be safer, then perhaps he would accept that (I'd still make good any damage of course).

tbs624

lucylucky wrote: »

He may well choose to take you to court, I have no idea.

If the T is within his fixed term then *no* court is going to award the LL repossession of theproperty n the grounds that he that he breached his tenancy agreement by putting some screws in the wall to mount his telly.

He may however find a s21 heading his way to fit around the expiry of that Fixed Term plus a potential dilapidations bill.